Re: [irs-discuss] What's in a name?

Acee Lindem <acee.lindem@ericsson.com> Mon, 12 November 2012 15:30 UTC

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From: Acee Lindem <acee.lindem@ericsson.com>
To: Hannes Gredler <hannes@juniper.net>
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I also have no problem with IRS as the WG name. Furthermore, I am confident that, as a magnanimous US tax payer, I have more than paid the royalties on the usage of the acronym. 
Having said that, the alternate name that comes to my mind is L3SDN. However, this may be considered a bit too broad. 

Acee 

On Nov 12, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Hannes Gredler wrote:

> for non US-taxpayers the name 'IRS' is not as negative co-notated as one might guess.
> it is in fact meaningless; - the jin is already out of the bottle (press articles, in-house chatter)
> and changing names at this point it will be likely creating further confusion;
> keeping status quo is IMO less painful;
> 
> /hannes
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> On Nov 12, 2012, at 3:49 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote:
> 
>> Personally, I find discussions of what name/acronym to use a bit sad. I've had
>> enough code review hours wasted debating the names of variables to not want to
>> spend any more time on this sort of thing.
>> 
>> However, I note that there was some unease about the use of IRS. If we really
>> need to find a new name for this work (and I note that RSI is also used for
>> something else) we need to find a solution soon.
>> 
>> Can I suggest that only those people who have a strong objection to IRS need to
>> contribute to the discussion. Furthermore, we don't need suggestions to be
>> floated, we need solid and definite proposals. That way we will possibly reach a
>> serious conclusion quickly.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Adrian
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