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Re: [irtf-discuss] [Internet Policy] Why the World Must Resist Calls to Undermine the Internet

Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca> Mon, 21 March 2022 07:35 UTC

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Comments: In-reply-to Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> message dated "Sun, 20 Mar 2022 15:15:59 -0400."
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Subject: Re: [irtf-discuss] [Internet Policy] Why the World Must Resist Calls to Undermine the Internet
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Phillip Hallam-Baker <phill@hallambaker.com> wrote:
    > Today it is not the 'centralization' of the Web that is the real issue,
    > it is the fact that a handful of individuals control the voting shares
    > in the companies that set the agenda through curation of the dominant
    > social media feeds. That is the power that must be challenged if the
    > Internet is going to fulfill its promise as a technology of freedom.

I agree that this is the challenge.

I wish that I could pay a fee and get access to the social media APIs and to
run my own algorithms (or hire some else's directly).  Then I realize that in
being able/willing to pay that fee, that I myself am invoking a privilege
that not everyone might have.

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Michael Richardson <mcr+IETF@sandelman.ca>, Sandelman Software Works
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