Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt
"Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> Mon, 21 February 2022 19:56 UTC
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From: "Templin (US), Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>
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Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt
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Hi, I started reviewing this and found that it has been completely overhauled since I put my comments in many months ago. It has in fact been completely rewritten to favor the shared IPv6 multilink subnet model over multihop networks, to favor RPL/6LowPan over standard MANET routing protocols, to favor IPv6 ND changes over standard IPv6 ND, and to favor multilink DAD. None of that is necessary with AERO/OMNI and the NBMA-based virtual link created by the OMNI Adaptation. So, I stopped midway through marking up the document with my comments because it has taken a complete left turn and started down a wrong path. What is mainly at the heart of the divergence is that the document now embraces the multilink IPv6 subnet model vs the AERO/OMNI NBMA link model that was there the last time I looked. But, there is no need for such complication when there is a much simpler alternative at hand. I notice also that in the appendices the AERO/OMNI "6M's of Mobile Internetworking" was removed - at the very least that needs to be restored. In its current form, this document has been diverted to go down the wrong path. It needs to be either re-balanced or re-written. Thanks - Fred > -----Original Message----- > From: its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Templin (US), Fred L > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2022 7:28 AM > To: its@ietf.org; i-d-announce@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt > > Hi, it looks like a lot of what was in the draft regarding AERO/OMNI has been cut out > so that means I am going to have to re-review it. I will get to this a soon as possible; > hopefully in the next couple of days. > > Fred > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: its [mailto:its-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > > Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2022 9:00 PM > > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > > Cc: its@ietf.org > > Subject: [EXTERNAL] [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt > > > > EXT email: be mindful of links/attachments. > > > > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > > This draft is a work item of the IP Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments WG of the IETF. > > > > Title : IPv6 Wireless Access in Vehicular Environments (IPWAVE): Problem Statement and Use Cases > > Author : Jaehoon (Paul) Jeong > > Filename : draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26.txt > > Pages : 49 > > Date : 2022-02-20 > > > > Abstract: > > This document discusses the problem statement and use cases of > > IPv6-based vehicular networking for Intelligent Transportation > > Systems (ITS). The main scenarios of vehicular communications are > > vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V), vehicle-to-infrastructure (V2I), and > > vehicle-to-everything (V2X) communications. First, this document > > explains use cases using V2V, V2I, and V2X networking. Next, for > > IPv6-based vehicular networks, it makes a gap analysis of current > > IPv6 protocols (e.g., IPv6 Neighbor Discovery, Mobility Management, > > and Security & Privacy), and then enumerates requirements for the > > extensions of those IPv6 protocols for IPv6-based vehicular > > networking. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking/ > > > > There is also an htmlized version available at: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicular-networking-26 > > > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by rsync at rsync.ietf.org::internet-drafts > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > its mailing list > > its@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its > > _______________________________________________ > its mailing list > its@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/its
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- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Russ Housley
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Dirk.von-Hugo
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Erik Kline
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Erik Kline
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Dirk.von-Hugo
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Erik Kline
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Rex Buddenberg
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Templin (US), Fred L
- Re: [ipwave] I-D Action: draft-ietf-ipwave-vehicu… Mr. Jaehoon Paul Jeong
- Re: [ipwave] [EXTERNAL] Re: I-D Action: draft-iet… Templin (US), Fred L