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Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-davies-int-historic-04.txt> (Deprecating infrastructure "int" domains) to Informational RFC

Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> Thu, 20 October 2022 04:25 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Last-Call] Last Call: <draft-davies-int-historic-04.txt> (Deprecating infrastructure "int" domains) to Informational RFC
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John,

I agree re irrelevance to this document. And the semantics probably
aren't worth debating at this stage in history, anyway.

Regards
    Brian

On 20-Oct-22 16:36, John C Klensin wrote:
> 
> 
> --On Thursday, October 20, 2022 13:58 +1300 Brian E Carpenter
> <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> ...
>> In terms of authority, authority over TLDs has resided with
>> ICANN since 1998, except for .arpa and this tiny corner of
>> .int. The IETF is now documenting what has been a fact for
>> many years: this tiny corner of .int is totally obsolete.
>> ...
> 
> Brian,
> 
> I worked quite a bit on an earlier version of this draft and
> will probably have more to say when I get my head above water on
> some other issues, but, for now and on the extract above only,
> please don't forget EDU, MIL, and a few others over which I
> don't believe ICANN has ever claimed authority.. and suspect
> that any attempt to exercise authority (especially over the
> second of those) would cause an interesting situation.
> 
> That said, other than issues with INT, it appears to me that
> where ICANN does or does not have or claim authority is
> completely irrelevant to this document.
> 
>      john
> 
>

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