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Re: [Masque] Proposed draft charter

Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net> Tue, 11 February 2020 04:26 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Masque] Proposed draft charter
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On 2/10/2020 7:18 PM, Spencer Dawkins at IETF wrote:
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>         I'm a little confused here, about whether (HTTP/3-)QUIC is
>         also in scope as a proxied protocol. Does everyone else know
>         whether it is, and I'm just catching up?
>
>
>     Well, it's just UDP, so yes.
>
>
> :-)

Actually, that's still not entirely clear. There are two ways of
connecting UDP: connected sockets, or full sockets. One is adequate for
proxying a Quic client: a Quic datagram stream is associated with a five
tuple on the proxy. The other is what you want for a Quic server: a Quic
datagram stream is associated with a 3-tuple on the proxy. It is not
clear to me whether we are speaking of one or the other.

I assume that we are speaking about the five-tuple variant, which is
equivalent to a TCP connection. But this is not obvious from the charter.

-- Christian Huitema

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