[Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-modpod-group-processes-10
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Rob Wilton (rwilton) writes: > I would presume that the point that Eliot is making is that is someone > doesnât agree with a moderation decision then they always have the > choice of appealing Well, sure, there's something labeled as an appeals process, but I was asking for clarification of (1) the claim that company X censoring company Y "surely would be caught" and (2) the claim that this has been tested. Concretely, say Y appeals the censorship and correctly accuses X of censoring Y to damage Y's position in the marketplace, but X responds by falsely claiming that X's goal is to "maintain decorum". Has company X been "caught"? What does "caught" mean here? How has this been tested? ---D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] WG Last call for draft-ietf-modpod-… Lisa Dusseault
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Jeffrey Haas
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Joel Halpern
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Lisa Dusseault
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Russ Housley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… John Levine
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Colin Perkins
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Terms? Re: WG Last call for draft-i… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Terms? Re: WG Last call for dra… Lars Eggert
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Terms? Re: WG Last call for dra… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Terms? Re: WG Last call for dra… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Terms? Re: WG Last call for dra… Lars Eggert
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Salz, Rich
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Keith Moore's response to WGLC (was… Keith Moore
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Michael De Roover
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Michael De Roover
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Michael De Roover
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Michael De Roover
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Is there a problem? [was Keith Moor… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? Lisa Dusseault
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Watson Ladd
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … John C Klensin
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … John C Klensin
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … John C Klensin
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … John C Klensin
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] RFC7282 relevant? [Re: Keith Moore'… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: RFC7282 relevant? [Re: Keith Mo… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: RFC7282 relevant? [Re: Keith Mo… Michael De Roover
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Keith Moore
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Lars Eggert
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Admin overriding moderator [was Kei… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Admin overriding moderator [was… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Admin overriding moderator [was… John C Klensin
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Admin overriding moderator [was… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Sean Turner
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Christopher Wood
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Sean Turner
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre