[Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem?
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Tue, 16 September 2025 19:31 UTC
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On Sep 16, 2025, at 21:20, D. J. Bernstein <djb@cr.yp.to> wrote: > Interesting claim. Who's "we"? I see that you are new to the IETF and unfamiliar with IETF procedures. I would start with the Note Well document, which presumably as a mailing list subscriber you have seen but perhaps not read in its entirety, and go from there. You might also check out The Tao of the IETF. There are quite a few BCPs that you might want to review as well. It's not my job to guide you through this process: if you want to participate in the IETF, it's your job to become familiar with them. If you have no interest in doing so, then you can't effectively participate in the IETF. To answer your question (which was followed by many paragraphs of text that I did not read), "we" is the IETF participants who originally proposed the BoF, the IESG which approved the BoF, the IETF participants who _participated_ in the BoF, the IETF as a whole which reviewed the charter, and the IESG which approved the working group charter after the IETF approved it.
- [Mod-discuss] WG Last call for draft-ietf-modpod-… Lisa Dusseault
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Jeffrey Haas
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Joel Halpern
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Lisa Dusseault
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Russ Housley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… John Levine
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Colin Perkins
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Terms? Re: WG Last call for draft-i… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Terms? Re: WG Last call for dra… Lars Eggert
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Terms? Re: WG Last call for dra… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Terms? Re: WG Last call for dra… Stephen Farrell
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Terms? Re: WG Last call for dra… Lars Eggert
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Salz, Rich
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Wilton (rwilton)
- [Mod-discuss] Keith Moore's response to WGLC (was… Keith Moore
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Michael De Roover
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Michael De Roover
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Michael De Roover
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Michael De Roover
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Is there a problem? [was Keith Moor… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? Lisa Dusseault
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Is there a problem? [was Keith … Watson Ladd
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … John C Klensin
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … John C Klensin
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … John C Klensin
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … John C Klensin
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Simon Josefsson
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … D. J. Bernstein
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Ted Lemon
- [Mod-discuss] RFC7282 relevant? [Re: Keith Moore'… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: RFC7282 relevant? [Re: Keith Mo… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: RFC7282 relevant? [Re: Keith Mo… Michael De Roover
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Keith Moore
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Lars Eggert
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Pete Resnick
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Eliot Lear
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Keith Moore's response to WGLC … Nick Hilliard
- [Mod-discuss] Admin overriding moderator [was Kei… Brian E Carpenter
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Admin overriding moderator [was… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Admin overriding moderator [was… John C Klensin
- [Mod-discuss] Re: Admin overriding moderator [was… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Sean Turner
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Jay Daley
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Christopher Wood
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Sean Turner
- [Mod-discuss] Re: WG Last call for draft-ietf-mod… Rob Sayre