[mpls-tp] uncoord harmful draft

[Huub van Helvoort <[e-mail]>]

(changed subject as asked for by Loa)

Hi Ross,

You wrote:

> I think that this draft is absolutely essential.  However, I do agree that discussing it in long email threads would likely be a waste of time. 
> 
> I doubt that you want to hear my opinion about the amount of time and effort that the T-MPLS work in ITU forced on various IESG/IETF folks. 

You may want to add that to the draft, but then continue discussion
on [e-mail] and [e-mail] as Andy suggested.

Regards, Huub.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of BUSI ITALO
> Sent: 23 July 2009 05:14
> To: Sprecher, Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon); ext Rolf Winter; [e-mail]
> Cc: [e-mail]
> Subject: Re: [mpls-tp] poll tomakedraft-andersson-mpls-tp-process-03.txtaworking group document
> 
> The analysis of the T-MPLS case study in
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-mpls-tp-uncoord-harmful is
> technically weak and incorrect.
> 
> I think this draft is a waste of time for the whole community.
> 
> Italo 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [e-mail] 
>> [mailto:[e-mail]] On Behalf Of Sprecher, 
>> Nurit (NSN - IL/Hod HaSharon)
>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:50 AM
>> To: ext Rolf Winter; [e-mail]
>> Cc: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: [mpls-tp] poll 
>> tomakedraft-andersson-mpls-tp-process-03.txtaworking group document
>>
>> Hi,
>> Surprisingly, although it should be trivial, it was not 
>> trivial for the
>> case study, T-MPLS. This is a fact. That is why it is extremely
>> important to have such a document and indicates the harm that may be
>> created. 
>> And I agree with Huub, now we should focus on a good conceptual work.
>> Best regards,
>> Nurit
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On
>> Behalf Of ext Rolf Winter
>> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:24 AM
>> To: [e-mail]
>> Cc: [e-mail]
>> Subject: Re: [mpls-tp] poll to
>> makedraft-andersson-mpls-tp-process-03.txtaworking group document
>>
>> But you have seen that it might directly become a historical 
>> RFC, right
>> :) Ok, I see both your and Nurit's point. But then the IAB draft seems
>> to me to really have a trivial message which is: "If you work on the
>> same thing talk to each other". Which is probably fine. I concur.
>>
>> 	Rolf
>>
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Huub van Helvoort [mailto:[e-mail]]
>>> Sent: Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2009 10:04
>>> To: Rolf Winter
>>> Cc: [e-mail]
>>> Subject: Re: [mpls-tp] poll to makedraft-andersson-mpls-tp-process-
>>> 03.txt aworking group document
>>>
>>> Hi Rolf,
>>>
>>> You wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is an alternative for this draft I believe, at least for its
>>>> content. The IAB seems to be in love with how the whole MPLS-TP
>>>> process is working
>>>>
>> (http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-mpls-tp-uncoord-harmful). Good
>>>> for them but they fail to mention how the overall process 
>> is working
>>>> in practice. I'd propose to merge the two. I fail to see 
>> why we need
>>>> a document that praises the process and another one describing it.
>>> I do not agree with you, the draft above is a hysterical document
>>> describing what happened before the JWT was created, and
>>> draft-andersson-mpls-tp-process describes the current process as
>>> agreed by the JWT.
>>> We should concentrate on current mode of operation and not waste
>>> precious time on history.
>>>
>>> Regards, Huub.
>>>
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