Re: [mpls] Taxonomy of MPLS MNA drafts

[Robert Raszuk <[e-mail]>]

Greg,

Maybe I was not clear.

My observation was not about what set contains. My observation was that the
way I was reading the framework I understood that framework mandates that
there will be more then one set in MPLS header.

In my proposal that is never the case by design. Only one set is needed for
RAF.

But Tony and John clarified it already for me so I am happy :)

Best,
R.



On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 18:13, Greg Mirsky <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Hi Robert,
> Tony has pointed out that a set can contain a single LSE. Also, as I think
> of it, a set can be empty, i.e., contain no elements. Thus, I don't see a
> problem with the existing definition in the draft-andersson-mpls-mna-fwk.
>
> Regards,
> Greg
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2022 at 7:17 AM Robert Raszuk <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>> Hi Tony,
>>
>> > A network action sub-stack can be as small as a single LSE
>>
>> Well the framework (as written) does not seem to allow that.
>>
>> Note that it says:
>>
>> An MNA solution is envisioned as a set of network action *sub-stacks*,
>>    plus possible post-stack data.
>>
>> To me this means plural only.
>>
>> Many thx,
>> R.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 8 Jul 2022 at 16:13, Tony Li <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Robert,
>>>
>>> A network action sub-stack can be as small as a single LSE, so your
>>> solution is not precluded by the framework draft.
>>>
>>> Your draft has not been ignored.  There are many proposed solutions and
>>> time has been divided.  On the MNA documents taxonomy, your solution rates
>>> an entire section.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 8, 2022, at 2:35 AM, Robert Raszuk <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Stewart,
>>>
>>> Great summary !!!
>>>
>>> One comment - if we consider this sentence as definition of MNA from
>>> draft-andersson-mpls-mna-fwk-04:
>>>
>>>  2
>>> <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-andersson-mpls-mna-fwk-04#section-2>.
>>> Structure
>>>
>>>    An MNA solution is envisioned as a set of network action sub-stacks,
>>>    plus possible post-stack data.
>>>
>>>
>>> then my proposal
>>>
>>>
>>> 8 pages
>>>
>>> draft-raszuk-mpls-raf-fwk-00
>>> Framework of MPLS Reference Augmented Forwarding
>>>
>>> 2022-04-25	I-D Exists	
>>>
>>>
>>> is really not a solution document but parallel framework document to accomplish what is listed in MNA
>>>
>>> requirements. The framework document which locks solutions is not proper IMHO.
>>>
>>>
>>> It is bizarre that MPLS WG chairs have been ignoring draft-raszuk-mpls-raf-fwk completely.
>>>
>>>
>>> Many thx,
>>>
>>> R/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 at 13:57, Stewart Bryant <[e-mail]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ahead of the call this afternoon I took at the set of MPLS drafts,
>>>> considering
>>>>
>>>> 1) MNA drafts already adopted
>>>> 2) All of the MPLS  individual drafts
>>>>
>>>> I classified them into:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Setting the scenes and WIP
>>>> 2) Candidate Solutions
>>>> 3) Drafts concerning the re-use of ELI/EL
>>>> 4) Drafts not related to the MNA discussion
>>>>
>>>> So first question is whether I have missed any drafts that need to be
>>>> in one of these lists?
>>>>
>>>> Second question have I classified them correctly?
>>>>
>>>> Best regards
>>>>
>>>> Stewart
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Setting the scenes and WIP
>>>>
>>>> 25 pages
>>>> draft-ietf-mpls-mna-requirements-01
>>>> Requirements for MPLS Network Action Indicators and MPLS Ancillary Data
>>>> 2022-06-21 I-D Exists
>>>> WG Document
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 12 pages
>>>> draft-ietf-mpls-mna-usecases-00
>>>> Use Cases for MPLS Network Action Indicators and MPLS Ancillary Data
>>>> 2022-05-19 I-D Exists
>>>> WG Document
>>>>
>>>> 18 pages
>>>> draft-andersson-mpls-mna-fwk-04
>>>> MPLS Network Actions Framework
>>>> 2022-06-27
>>>> New I-D Exists
>>>> Call For Adoption By WG Issued : Informational 2
>>>> Nicolai Leymann
>>>>
>>>> 16 pages
>>>> draft-bryant-mpls-dev-primer-02
>>>> A Primer on the Development of MPLS
>>>> 2022-05-09 I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Candidate Solutions
>>>>
>>>> 13 pages
>>>> draft-andersson-mpls-eh-architecture-03
>>>> MPLS Extension Header Architecture
>>>> 2022-04-05 I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 15 pages
>>>> draft-andersson-mpls-eh-label-stack-operations-03
>>>> MPLS Label Operations in MPLS EH capable networks
>>>> 2022-04-05 I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>> 14 pages
>>>> draft-gandhi-mpls-ioam-05
>>>> MPLS Data Plane Encapsulation for In-situ OAM Data
>>>> 2022-07-06
>>>> New I-D Exists 3
>>>>
>>>> 13 pages
>>>> draft-kbbma-mpls-1stnibble-01
>>>> IANA Registry for the First Nibble Following a Label Stack
>>>> 2022-04-27 I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 14 pages
>>>> draft-kompella-mpls-mspl4fa-02
>>>> Multi-purpose Special Purpose Label for Forwarding Actions
>>>> 2022-02-09 I-D Exists 1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 8 pages
>>>> draft-li-mpls-enhanced-vpn-vtn-id-02
>>>> Carrying Virtual Transport Network Identifier in MPLS Packet
>>>> 2022-03-07 I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 41 pages
>>>> draft-li-mpls-entropy-01
>>>> Entropy Values
>>>> 2022-05-12 I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 6 pages
>>>> draft-liu-mpls-nas-combination-00
>>>> Combination Method of NASs
>>>> 2022-05-24 I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>> 8 pages
>>>> draft-raszuk-mpls-raf-fwk-00
>>>> Framework of MPLS Reference Augmented Forwarding
>>>> 2022-04-25 I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 11 pages
>>>> draft-song-mpls-eh-indicator-05
>>>> Options for MPLS Extension Header Indicator
>>>> 2022-06-27
>>>> New I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 13 pages
>>>> draft-song-mpls-extension-header-06
>>>> MPLS Extension Header
>>>> 2022-01-10
>>>> Expires soon I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>> Reuse of ELI/EL
>>>>
>>>> 10 pages
>>>> draft-decraene-mpls-slid-encoded-entropy-label-id-04
>>>> Using Entropy Label for Network Slice Identification in MPLS networks.
>>>> 2022-06-14 I-D Exists 2
>>>>
>>>> 22 pages
>>>> draft-jags-mpls-mna-hdr-00
>>>> MPLS Network Action (MNA) Header Encodings
>>>> 2022-07-06
>>>> New I-D Exists 2
>>>>
>>>> 9 pages
>>>> draft-li-mpls-redefining-eli-00
>>>> Redefining ELI considered harmful; NPL considered harmful
>>>> 2022-04-07 I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not Related to this Discussion
>>>>
>>>> 14 pages
>>>> draft-gandhi-mpls-stamp-pw-01
>>>> Encapsulation of Simple TWAMP (STAMP) for Pseudowires in MPLS Networks
>>>> 2022-01-14
>>>> Expires soon I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 8 pages
>>>> draft-gao-mpls-teas-rsvpte-state-update-04
>>>> State-updating mechanism in RSVP-TE for MPLS network
>>>> 2022-01-10
>>>> Expires soon I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>> 7 pages
>>>> draft-liu-mpls-lsp-ping-nrp-00
>>>> LSP Ping/Traceroute for SR-MPLS NRP SIDs
>>>> 2022-06-13 I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>> 13 pages
>>>> draft-lm-mpls-sfc-path-verification-03
>>>> MPLS-based Service Function Path(SFP) Consistency Verification
>>>> 2022-06-11 I-D Exists
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 38 pages
>>>> draft-nainar-mpls-lsp-ping-yang-02
>>>> YANG Data Model for MPLS LSP Ping
>>>> 2022-01-28 I-D Exists
>>>> Candidate for WG Adoption : Proposed Standard
>>>> Loa Andersson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 10 pages
>>>> draft-qu-mpls-mpls-msd-yang-03
>>>> A YANG Model for MPLS MSD
>>>> 2022-02-02 I-D Exists
>>>> Candidate for WG Adoption
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 14 pages
>>>> draft-wijnands-mpls-mldp-multi-topology-04
>>>> mLDP Extensions for Multi-Topology Routing
>>>> 2022-03-07 I-D Exists
>>>> Candidate for WG Adoption
>>>> Tarek Saad
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 17 pages
>>>> draft-xp-mpls-spring-lsp-ping-path-sid-04
>>>> Label Switched Path (LSP) Ping for Segment Routing (SR) Path Segment
>>>> Identifiers (SIDs) with MPLS Data Planes
>>>> 2022-06-21
>>>>
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