Re: [NGO] external module properties
Andy Bierman <ietf@andybierman.com> Tue, 29 April 2008 15:28 UTC
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Wes Hardaker wrote: >>>>>> On Mon, 28 Apr 2008 08:16:46 -0700, Andy Bierman <ietf@andybierman.com> said: > > AB> I believe 2 independent YANG implementations are deriving the version > AB> from the most recent revision date. In my code, the current date > AB> will be used (for the internal version) if no revision clauses are > AB> provided. > > A numerical date meets my needs too... > > I'd be tempted not to even define the required formatting of the version > number. Simply say it must be sortable using a standard comparison > function (strcmp or >). > > DNS does this with the SOA serial number. The format is up to the > network operator. Some use date/time based serial numbers. Some > (especially those with > 256 pushes a day) use an incrementing number > approach. In the end, all the software that needs to look at the serial > number is never confused: it just does a comparison to decide if their > local copy is newer or older than the currently published zone file. > > AB> The first order problem I want to solve is a standard mechanism > AB> for distinguishing between multiple versions of the same module. > > Do you mean multiple vendors publishing a single yang module? How is > that even possible (namespace definitions alone should take care of > those conflicts think). > No, I just mean mandatory revision clauses in YANG. There must be some data within the module itself that can be used to distinguish 2 different versions of the same module. We already have a single naming scope for module names. There is no concept at all in YANG of the Acme FOO-MIB and some other FOO-MIB. There is just one FOO-MIB, and any import (or include) which identifies FOO-MIB in the target is referring to the one and only possible module (within that implementation) called FOO-MIB. The YANG spec is silent on finding the module associated with an import or include. That doesn't mean a robust, interoperable, standards-based CM system can be silent on the issue. >>> 2) How about we do the inverse of normal SMIv2 modules and optimize for >>> the reader... Most of this type of meta information, which I do >>> agree is critical, isn't of huge interest to the average technical >>> reader (which 99% of the time are trying to get to the technical >>> cruft). How about we put it at the bottom (or anywhere after the >>> real data definitions)? >>> > > AB> I suppose a long list of revision statements gets in the way, > AB> but not 1 or 2. I would like to reserve the 'bottom' for the granular > AB> conformance specification that is missing from YANG. > > I don't really care how the bottom stuff is organized. We likely have > multiple sets of information that need to go into a YANG module. Lets > say that boils down to: technical stuff, an ever growing list of > meta-data, conformance statements. I don't care about the order beyond > the fact I want the technical stuff to go first. Because that's what > 99% of the population cares the most about getting to. Anything else > gets in their way. > > Now... don't read into this that I'm proposing a CLR sorting rule. I'm > not. I actually think the file should be more flexible in it's required > ordering. But IETF documents and the resulting YANGnits tool should > suggest that non-technical sort of stuff needs to be lower in the > document. Which makes it a CLS (suggestion). Andy _______________________________________________ NGO mailing list NGO@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ngo
- [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Jon Saperia
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Wes Hardaker
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Balazs Lengyel
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Balazs Lengyel
- Re: [NGO] external module properties David Harrington
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Randy Presuhn
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Balazs Lengyel
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Wes Hardaker
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties David Harrington
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties David Harrington
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties David Harrington
- Re: [NGO] external module properties David Harrington
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Wes Hardaker
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Wes Hardaker
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Wes Hardaker
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Wes Hardaker
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties David Harrington
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [NGO] external module properties David Harrington
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Wes Hardaker
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Wes Hardaker
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Ladislav Lhotka
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Randy Presuhn
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Randy Presuhn
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties David Harrington
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Juergen Schoenwaelder
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Wes Hardaker
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Wes Hardaker
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Randy Presuhn
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Randy Presuhn
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Randy Presuhn
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Andy Bierman
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Phil Shafer
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Martin Bjorklund
- Re: [NGO] external module properties Martin Bjorklund