Re: [ntpwg] Antw: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-checksum-trailer-05.txt
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Subject: Re: [ntpwg] Antw: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-checksum-trailer-05.txt
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stenn@ntp.org said: >>> New servers would use the new MAC, perhaps in conjunction with a new >>> extension field that says "I am the last extension field" so if something >>> comes after it we'd know it was an old-style MAC. >> Why is that case interesting? Why would a new server want an old-style MAC? > It wouldn't. But a new instance can talk with an old instance. I don't understand how a new instance is going to talk to an old instance without using old format packets. So why is the format of new style packets interesting when discussing old servers? Are there any new style extension fields in use now? Are there half-new servers out there? The case that makes sense to me is to grandfather the old lengths for autokey and shared key of various types. Any other extension length must use new style TLV format. We would need a dummy field type so you can add padding to change the length if whatever you want to send ends up with one of the reserved lengths. -- These are my opinions. I hate spam. _______________________________________________ ntpwg mailing list ntpwg@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/ntpwg
- Re: [ntpwg] Autokey, Shared keys Harlan Stenn
- Re: [ntpwg] Autokey, Shared keys Hal Murray
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Miroslav Lichvar
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Salz, Rich
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Daniel Franke
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Daniel Franke
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Salz, Rich
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Danny Mayer
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Rob Seaman
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Salz, Rich
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Danny Mayer
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Salz, Rich
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Danny Mayer
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Danny Mayer
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Hal Murray
- [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ietf-n… dieter.sibold
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Danny Mayer
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Danny Mayer
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… kristof.teichel
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… dieter.sibold
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Richard Welty
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Danny Mayer
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… dieter.sibold
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Hal Murray
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Danny Mayer
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Danny Mayer
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… dieter.sibold
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Danny Mayer
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Danny Mayer
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Danny Mayer
- Re: [ntpwg] New Version Notification for draft-ie… Harlan Stenn
- [ntpwg] Antw: Re: New Version Notification for dr… Ulrich Windl
- Re: [ntpwg] Antw: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-… Hal Murray
- Re: [ntpwg] Antw: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [ntpwg] Antw: Re: I-D Action: draft-ietf-ntp-… Hal Murray
- Re: [ntpwg] Fwd: Early Allocations for NTS drafts… Hal Murray
- Re: [ntpwg] Fwd: Early Allocations for NTS drafts… Kurt Roeckx
- Re: [ntpwg] Fwd: Early Allocations for NTS drafts… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [ntpwg] Different security mechanisms (NTS, A… Hal Murray
- Re: [ntpwg] Fwd: Early Allocations for NTS drafts… Hal Murray
- Re: [ntpwg] Different security mechanisms (NTS, A… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [ntpwg] Fwd: Early Allocations for NTS drafts… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [ntpwg] WGLC on NTS: Round trips for key exch… Hal Murray
- Re: [ntpwg] WGLC on NTS: Round trips for key exch… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [ntpwg] [TICTOC] comments on draft-stenn-ntp-… Hal Murray
- Re: [ntpwg] [TICTOC] comments on draft-stenn-ntp-… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [ntpwg] [TICTOC] comments on draft-stenn-ntp-… Hal Murray
- Re: [ntpwg] [TICTOC] comments on draft-stenn-ntp-… Harlan Stenn
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Salz, Rich
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Daniel Franke
- Re: [ntpwg] Parsing NTP packets regarding MACs an… Harlan Stenn