[Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: NTPv5 Loop Detection without Stratum ‑ Why do we want this?

Ulrich Windl <Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de> Wed, 07 September 2022 07:02 UTC

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Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2022 09:02:37 +0200
From: Ulrich Windl <Ulrich.Windl@rz.uni-regensburg.de>
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Subject: [Ntp] Antw: [EXT] Re: NTPv5 Loop Detection without Stratum ‑ Why do we want this?
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>>> Danny Mayer <mayer@pdmconsulting.net> schrieb am 07.09.2022 um 01:22 in
Nachricht <591a00e1-517d-0b03-6789-e97f45218ce0@pdmconsulting.net>:

> On 9/6/22 6:15 AM, kristof.teichel=40ptb.de@dmarc.ietf.org wrote:

...
> No, that isn't always true. Sometimes the lower stratum results have too 
> much jitter, dispersion, too far off, etc. Some of that could be because 
> of network traffic or connectivity and a thousand other possibilities. 

I find it quite confusing that "lower stratum" means higher stratum number", but it's the way it's defined, it seems:

"Primary servers are assigned stratum one; secondary servers at each lower level
are assigned stratum numbers one greater than the preceding level." (RFC 5905, page 7)

So a server at a "lower level" has a higher stratum number. The definition does not actually define "lower stratum" maning a higher number ;-)

> Stratum is only one measure to be considered.

...

Regards,
Ulrich