Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

Hi Mike, 

you have to by yourself decide whether this IPR (or any other issue) is important for you. 
I cannot do that for you nor can the working group. 

Ciao
Hannes 

On May 9, 2012, at 10:34 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:

> On 05/09/2012 12:17 PM, Eran Hammer wrote:
>> Whoever you talk to for legal advice about IPR issues related to standards you might implement. My only point is, this group is not qualified to comment on IPR matters.
> 
> The IETF gets to decide whether it wants to create standards that
> use (potentially) encumbered IP. It is the wg's responsibility to
> decide whether it is a necessary evil, or whether the damage can be
> routed around. How a working group does that without having a
> discussion is a mystery to me.
> 
> Mike
> 
>> 
>> EH
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Michael Thomas [mailto:mike@mtcc.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:15 PM
>>> To: Eran Hammer
>>> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG
>>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer
>>> 
>>> On 05/09/2012 12:06 PM, Eran Hammer wrote:
>>>> So no discussion of this is expected on the list - correct? That's what I
>>> wanted to clarify. You asked the WG to "think" about its potential
>>> implications but I don't want that "thinking" to happen out-loud on this list...
>>>> Raising the issue with your internal IPR team is the right step.
>>> What internal IPR team? The IETF is not a corpro-only club.
>>> 
>>> Mike
>>>> EH
>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:37 AM
>>>>> To: Eran Hammer
>>>>> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; oauth@ietf.org WG
>>>>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Eran,
>>>>> 
>>>>> if you care about the specification (and want to use it in your
>>>>> products) then you may want to reach out to your IPR folks and ask for
>>> their judgement.
>>>>> They may be able to tell you whether they find the cited IPR
>>>>> applicable and whether they had experience with the IPR holder already.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ciao
>>>>> Hannes
>>>>> 
>>>>> On May 9, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Eran Hammer wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> What exactly is the expected WG discussion on this? I hope people
>>>>>> here
>>>>> are not expected to read the patent and make legal decisions about
>>>>> the patent's validity or even applicability as these are questions
>>>>> for lawyers, not engineers.
>>>>>> EH
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: oauth-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:oauth-bounces@ietf.org] On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of Hannes Tschofenig
>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:44 AM
>>>>>>> To: oauth@ietf.org WG
>>>>>>> Subject: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> an IPR disclosure had been submitted for the OAuth bearer document
>>>>>>> recently. In case you may have missed it, here is the link to it:
>>>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1752/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The ADs will re-run the IETF last call due to this new IPR filing
>>>>>>> and we would also like the working group to check the IPR and to
>>>>>>> think about potential implications.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Ciao
>>>>>>> Hannes&   Derek
>>>>>>> 
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