Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer

[Eliot Lear <[e-mail]>]

Stephen, Hannes,

Given the intent to re-run LC, counsel need about 2-3 weeks to answer
the questions you've asked.  Had the patent been disclosed in a timely
fashion they would have had that time long before LC.  Having some
questions answered I believe will help LC discussion.  I hope this
doesn't inconvenience anyone.

Thanks,

Eliot


On 5/9/12 10:26 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> On 05/09/2012 08:34 PM, Michael Thomas wrote:
>> On 05/09/2012 12:17 PM, Eran Hammer wrote:
>>> Whoever you talk to for legal advice about IPR issues related to
>>> standards you might implement. My only point is, this group is not
>>> qualified to comment on IPR matters.
>> The IETF gets to decide whether it wants to create standards that
>> use (potentially) encumbered IP. It is the wg's responsibility to
>> decide whether it is a necessary evil, or whether the damage can be
>> routed around. How a working group does that without having a
>> discussion is a mystery to me.
> Yeah, its tricky stuff. The key point as I understand it is
> not to get into discussion about licensing arrangements or
> other commercial matters, nor about the validity of the IPR
> itself, which are not our business. While we may or may not
> have opinions that 90+% of the output of all patent offices
> in the ICT space is pure rubbish, those are not directly
> relevant for the WG. If you're not sure, ask the chairs or
> me and we can try help.
>
> The question is as Hannes stated: does this new information
> change the WG's opinion of this document or not. Silence is
> taken to mean "not" in this case.
>
> S
>
>> Mike
>>
>>> EH
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Michael Thomas [mailto:[e-mail]]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:15 PM
>>>> To: Eran Hammer
>>>> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; [e-mail] WG
>>>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer
>>>>
>>>> On 05/09/2012 12:06 PM, Eran Hammer wrote:
>>>>> So no discussion of this is expected on the list - correct? That's
>>>>> what I
>>>> wanted to clarify. You asked the WG to "think" about its potential
>>>> implications but I don't want that "thinking" to happen out-loud on
>>>> this list...
>>>>> Raising the issue with your internal IPR team is the right step.
>>>> What internal IPR team? The IETF is not a corpro-only club.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>> EH
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Hannes Tschofenig [mailto:[e-mail]]
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:37 AM
>>>>>> To: Eran Hammer
>>>>>> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; [e-mail] WG
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Eran,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if you care about the specification (and want to use it in your
>>>>>> products) then you may want to reach out to your IPR folks and ask for
>>>> their judgement.
>>>>>> They may be able to tell you whether they find the cited IPR
>>>>>> applicable and whether they had experience with the IPR holder
>>>>>> already.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ciao
>>>>>> Hannes
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 9, 2012, at 8:51 PM, Eran Hammer wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What exactly is the expected WG discussion on this? I hope people
>>>>>>> here
>>>>>> are not expected to read the patent and make legal decisions about
>>>>>> the patent's validity or even applicability as these are questions
>>>>>> for lawyers, not engineers.
>>>>>>> EH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: [e-mail] [mailto:[e-mail]] On
>>>>>>>> Behalf Of Hannes Tschofenig
>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:44 AM
>>>>>>>> To: [e-mail] WG
>>>>>>>> Subject: [OAUTH-WG] IPR on OAuth bearer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> an IPR disclosure had been submitted for the OAuth bearer document
>>>>>>>> recently. In case you may have missed it, here is the link to it:
>>>>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1752/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The ADs will re-run the IETF last call due to this new IPR filing
>>>>>>>> and we would also like the working group to check the IPR and to
>>>>>>>> think about potential implications.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ciao
>>>>>>>> Hannes&   Derek
>>>>>>>>
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