[perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft
Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Wed, 20 November 2013 22:17 UTC
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Subject: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft
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Hi all, Following up on item 3a from the status/plan mail [1] I sent last week, Hannes and myself have written up an I-D [2] that tries to capture the consensus in the room from the Vancouver tech plenary and we're proposing as a BCP. We're deliberately trying to keep this short and sweet and to not (yet) go beyond what was the gist of the hums - we think progressing e.g. the threat model or the privacy BCP or other bits of related work is liable to take longer and there's value in documenting that the IETF as a whole has consensus on the most significant bit first so those and other bits of work don't all have to re-establish that as they are processed. Hopefully we can all easily agree that that's a useful target and focus comments on whether on not we've expressed that consensus well or not. <boring-bit> We've been bouncing versions of this around amongst the IESG and IAB for the last week, and process-wise, that has been fun already. As you'll see from section 3 of the draft, we can no longer just shoot out an RFC agreed by the IESG and IAB so the plan for this is that when Hannes and I figure this looks ready, based on your comments, then we'll ask Jari to start a 4-week IETF LC for it. When he thinks that's ok he'll start it and then we'll see how that goes. Assuming that goes well, then sometime during IESG evaluation the IAB will decide if they like the final text (or not, which'd be "interesting") and if they do then an IAB note saying "yep, we like it" will be added sometime during/after IESG evaluation before this goes to the RFC editor. In an ideal world, you'll all love the -00 already and tell us that and we'll be done with all of the above super duper process stuff by the end of the year. (Haven't we built ourselves a lovely crazy process? ;-) I really hope we don't end up with a process debate over this, since the above, silly and all as it is, should achieve the desirable outcome which is a simple BCP, approved by the IESG after an IETF LC and also supported by the IAB. The value in that is that it seems to be as close as we can get to the same setup as RFCs 1984 and 2804 which is the right kind of heritage for this one. So there is a reasonably good reason for the process-crap. </boring-bit> Anyway, ignoring process, comments on this are welcome, so please take a read of the two pages of content and let us know what you think. If you do think its already good enough for starting an IETF last call, then saying that is useful as well. And since the IETF LC will happen on the ietf@ietf.org list, using this list for initial processing should be fine. Cheers, S. [1] http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/perpass/current/msg01016.html [2] http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farrell-perpass-attack
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Ralf Skyper Kaiser
- [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Brian E Carpenter
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft joel jaeggli
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Rob Stradling
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Ted Lemon
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft joel jaeggli
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Ted Lemon
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Paul Ferguson
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Stephen Farrell
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Yoav Nir
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Jon Callas
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Robin Wilton
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft SM
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Stephen Kent
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Robin Wilton
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Warren Kumari
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Dean Willis
- Re: [perpass] "Its an attack" BCP draft Jari Arkko