Re: [Pqc] [EXTERNAL] Mapping the state of PQC and IETF

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From: Mike Ounsworth <Mike.Ounsworth@entrust.com>
To: Mike Ounsworth <Mike.Ounsworth=40entrust.com@dmarc.ietf.org>, Sofía Celi <cherenkov@riseup.net>, "pqc@ietf.org" <pqc@ietf.org>
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Done.

PR -
https://github.com/ietf-wg-pquip/state-of-protocols-and-pqc/pull/2

That "No Action Needed" list is shorter than I expected (probably due to my ignorance of the WGs I'm not involved in): 
ACME, CMC, QUIC, DoH, EST, HTTPS, SCEP, S/MIME

I'm sure I missed a pile of blah-over-tls or blah-over-ssh things. Though maybe obvious enough that they'll get PQ when TLS/SSH does?

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Subject: Re: [Pqc] [EXTERNAL] Mapping the state of PQC and IETF

Wicked, thanks for starting this github page!

I started this thread asking for, I guess, the converse of this document: IETF (Sec Area) protocols that DON'T need a PQ draft.

For example: SCEP (RFC 8894) does not itself specify any crypto, but embeds CMS (RFC 5652) and PKCS #10 (RFC 2986).

ACME embeds JOSE/JWS (RFC 7515) and PKCS #10 (RFC 2986).

Etc.

It would probably be a service to the community to document those on the PQUIP github page so that people know that "Do Nothing" is the correct action. Basically, every Sec Area protocol probably needs to be on that page under either "Action Needed" or "Action Not Needed". Since I suggested it, I guess I just volunteered to put in a PR starting that table. Barring $distraction, I'll try and get something tonight.

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Mike Ounsworth

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Pqc] Mapping the state of PQC and IETF

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Dear, list,

We have started work on mapping the state of PQC (if any draft or RFC
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