Re: [Pqc] Mapping the state of PQC and IETF

> draft-kampanakis-tls-scas, for example, is about reducing the size of the TLS handshake. It conveniently uses PQC as a motivation but there have been many efforts before that tried to accomplish TLS handshake size reduction before and you wouldn't want to list all of them as well.

Indeed. 
I wish the previous mechanisms worked in the PQ auth context because it is an uphill battle to convince the TLS WG that ICA suppression is the most straightforward option we have. 

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Mike, you bring up a good point.

draft-kampanakis-tls-scas, for example, is about reducing the size of the TLS handshake. It conveniently uses PQC as a motivation but there have been many efforts before that tried to accomplish TLS handshake size reduction before and you wouldn't want to list all of them as well.

Am 28.02.2023 um 01:16 schrieb Mike Ounsworth:
> Wicked, thanks for starting this github page!
>
> I started this thread asking for, I guess, the converse of this document: IETF (Sec Area) protocols that DON'T need a PQ draft.
>
> For example: SCEP (RFC 8894) does not itself specify any crypto, but embeds CMS (RFC 5652) and PKCS #10 (RFC 2986).
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> ACME embeds JOSE/JWS (RFC 7515) and PKCS #10 (RFC 2986).
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> Etc.
>
> It would probably be a service to the community to document those on the PQUIP github page so that people know that "Do Nothing" is the correct action. Basically, every Sec Area protocol probably needs to be on that page under either "Action Needed" or "Action Not Needed". Since I suggested it, I guess I just volunteered to put in a PR starting that table. Barring $distraction, I'll try and get something tonight.
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> We have started work on mapping the state of PQC (if any draft or RFC
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