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Re: Quic: the Elephant in the Room

Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com> Mon, 19 April 2021 22:39 UTC

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Subject: Re: Quic: the Elephant in the Room
To: Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>
Cc: Matt Joras <matt.joras@gmail.com>, IETF QUIC WG <quic@ietf.org>
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On 4/19/21 3:33 PM, Lucas Pardue wrote:
> I'm struggling to see what the problem statement that is unique to the 
> QUIC protocol is.
>
> That certificates can be large is not new information, it was a prime 
> motivator for RFC 7924 [1] and RFC 8879 [2].
>
> Operators can, of course, experiment with new optimal ways of doing 
> things. The broader IETF community is likely interested in the outcome 
> of such experiments. Since QUIC version 1 uses TLS, any changes that 
> stand to improve a QUIC handshake would likely be applicable to TLS 
> too. So the concept of replacing current TLS mechanisms with the DNS 
> doesn't seem to be something the QUIC WG should be leading. Should 
> such work identify QUIC protocol design evolution or extension, then 
> it could be suitable for WG consideration.
>
I'm not asking this working group to do anything. Just socializing 
something that generated a lot of discussion on the IETF list that might 
be of interest to the Quic community.

Mike

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