Re: Quic: the Elephant in the Room

Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com> Wed, 21 April 2021 01:32 UTC

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From: Lucas Pardue <lucaspardue.24.7@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 02:31:27 +0100
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Subject: Re: Quic: the Elephant in the Room
To: Michael Thomas <mike@mtcc.com>
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Michael,

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021, 02:19 Michael Thomas, <mike@mtcc.com> wrote:

> []
>
> if anybody is baffled by this, you should read the thread on the ietf
> list about "snarling". the wg chairs are a classic example. their
> fiefdom was challenged. it was utterly predictable, and I called it
> before hand.
>

You are making noise on this list. Please stop it.

If you want to branch or direct your thread of discussion towards things
that are related to the QUIC protocol, that is entirely of the purview of
this group and is welcomed.

If you want to talk about extending TLS, DANE, PKI, or the topics of other
mailing lists that are unrelated to the interests of this WG, the QUIC
mailing list is not the appropriate venue.

Regards
Lucas Pardue
QUIC WG Co-chair