[rtcweb] Interlace (Re: Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolutions in draft-cbran-rtcweb-codec-01))
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Subject: [rtcweb] Interlace (Re: Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolutions in draft-cbran-rtcweb-codec-01))
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On 11/30/2011 06:18 AM, James M. Polk wrote: > At 10:56 PM 11/29/2011, Ralph Giles wrote: >> On 29 November 2011 11:49, Harald Alvestrand <harald@alvestrand.no> >> wrote: >> >> > Interlace? Just Say No! >> >> Works for me. I'm an optimist. > > not meaning to open a can of worms, but what still requires interlaced > video? Most new things convert I to P, but less of these convert P to I. Just hit the same conversation here in Geneva at MPEG meeting. Funny what you learn! Interlaced material requires quite extensive resources on the decoding end to do properly, and if you just ignore the interlace marker and display the half-frames on top of each other, the resulting display is clearly substandard. But converting is a small-but-significant cost to the broadcasters with stored interlaced material, and the hardware guys who already have to implement it for some profile see no extra cost to having that support, so they don't push back much against it. In contrast, WebRTC is much more greenfield, and has far less established interlace support than TVs. If we can push interlaced material up the food chain into those devices that have to deal with it because it's in the archives, and get them to do the I-to-P conversion, the Web will be better off. </rant> Harald
- [rtcweb] resolutions in draft-cbran-rtcweb-codec-… Roni Even
- Re: [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolu… Roni Even
- Re: [rtcweb] resolutions in draft-cbran-rtcweb-co… Cary Bran (Standards Mailer)
- [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolution… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolu… Stephan Wenger
- Re: [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolu… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolu… Roni Even
- Re: [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolu… James M. Polk
- Re: [rtcweb] resolutions in draft-cbran-rtcweb-co… Aron Rosenberg
- Re: [rtcweb] resolutions in draft-cbran-rtcweb-co… Ralph Giles
- Re: [rtcweb] resolutions in draft-cbran-rtcweb-co… James M. Polk
- Re: [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolu… Ralph Giles
- Re: [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolu… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolu… Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] resolutions in draft-cbran-rtcweb-co… Bran, Cary
- Re: [rtcweb] resolutions in draft-cbran-rtcweb-co… Bran, Cary
- Re: [rtcweb] resolutions in draft-cbran-rtcweb-co… Ralph Giles
- Re: [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolu… Bran, Cary
- Re: [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolu… Ralph Giles
- Re: [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolu… James M. Polk
- [rtcweb] Interlace (Re: Video resolution SHOULDs … Harald Alvestrand
- Re: [rtcweb] Interlace (Re: Video resolution SHOU… Stephen Botzko
- Re: [rtcweb] Interlace (Re: Video resolution SHOU… Ralph Giles
- Re: [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolu… Ralph Giles
- Re: [rtcweb] Video resolution SHOULDs (Re: resolu… Stephen Botzko