RE: discussion on fast notification work

András Császár <Andras.Csaszar@ericsson.com> Thu, 07 July 2011 11:01 UTC

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From: András Császár <Andras.Csaszar@ericsson.com>
To: Alia Atlas <akatlas@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:01:36 +0200
Subject: RE: discussion on fast notification work
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Alia,

The problem is clear: how to do fast fail-over in IP and LDP with full failure coverage in arbitrary network topologies. Several other ongoing proposals are targeting the same problem (just to mention Not-Via or MRT). So, I think there is consensus that the problem needs solving.

Per-hop authentication should minimise the security implications considerably. We have been working on a prototype doing this with SHA256 and we are adding this to the draft now.

Cheers,
András

> -----Original Message-----
> From: rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org] 
> On Behalf Of Alia Atlas
> Sent: 2011. július 7. 0:03
> To: John E Drake
> Cc: rtgwg@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: discussion on fast notification work
> 
> John,
> 
> Absolutely - I have not seen positive comments about this being a
> problem that needs solving and have seen concerns about the security
> implications.
> 
> I would prefer to have any discussion about it here so that we do not
> spend valuable f2f time on this unless there is significant interest.
> 
> Alia
> 
> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 5:53 PM, John E Drake 
> <jdrake@juniper.net> wrote:
> > Alia,
> >
> > Is it okay for me to say that I think that this is a really 
> bad idea and that I was glad that interest in it had waned?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org 
> [mailto:rtgwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> >> Of Alia Atlas
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2011 1:57 PM
> >> To: rtgwg@ietf.org
> >> Subject: discussion on fast notification work
> >>
> >> The last 2 IETFs, we have had discussions about the idea of fast
> >> notification, as described in
> >> draft-lu-fast-notification-framework, draft-lu-fn-transport-00, and
> >> draft-csaszar-ipfrr-fn-00.
> >>
> >> Since then, I have not seen substantial discussion or 
> interest on the
> >> mailing list.  If you are
> >> interested in this work, have questions about it, or would 
> like to see
> >> RTGWG continue to discuss it,
> >> please send email to this mailing list.  I'd like to see this
> >> conversation happening here before IETF.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Alia
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