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Re: [secdir] [Cfrg] ISE seeks help with some crypto drafts

"Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL" <uri@ll.mit.edu> Fri, 08 March 2019 18:51 UTC

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From: "Blumenthal, Uri - 0553 - MITLL" <uri@ll.mit.edu>
To: Tony Arcieri <bascule@gmail.com>
CC: Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca>, CFRG <cfrg@irtf.org>, "RFC ISE (Adrian Farrel)" <rfc-ise@rfc-editor.org>, secdir <secdir@ietf.org>
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+1 to Tony, and I am for publishing OCB3. 

Also, I didn't keep track of the OCB IPR, but I think it improved in the last few years. Anyway, let's get the ball rolling.

Regards,
Uri

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> On Mar 8, 2019, at 13:46, Tony Arcieri <bascule@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 8, 2019 at 9:53 AM Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:
> 
>> I have strong reservations about the ocb draft. Rogaway has patents
>> on OCB, and has put constrains on its use and there is no generic IPR
>> statement that the IETF normally likes to see for work published as
>> RFC. Until such a time, I do not think publishing RFC's with OCB is
>> advised. A few years ago I asked the TLS OCB authors about extending
>> their allowed usage to IKE/IPsec and they told me this use was not
>> covered by Rogaway's license to them. While this has since changed a bit,
>> and there is no longer a specific TLS-only license, other constrains are
>> still in place.  Specifying OCB documents that cannot be implemented or
>> deployed indiscriminatory is troublesome.
> 
> I would agree the IPR story for OCB is presently bad.
> 
> Rogaway had previously voiced interest in completely resolving the patent situation (i.e. disavowing the patents, with an attorney's assistance) however sadly it seems he never completed this work. Perhaps I can attempt to get the ball rolling on that again...
> 
>> Second, I'm not a cryptographer, but it seems OCB has recently seen some
>> attacks that might impact the security of OCB:
>> 
>> Cryptanalysis of OCB2
>> https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/1040
>> 
>> Breaking the confidentiality of OCB2
>> https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/1087
>> 
>> Plaintext Recovery Attack of OCB2
>> https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/1090
> 
> There are three variants of OCB: OCB1, OCB2, and OCB3.
> 
> These attacks apply to OCB2. They do not apply to OCB1 or OCB3.
> 
> OCB3 is realistically what we should be using provided the IPR story can be cleared up.
>  
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