Re: [Slim] Question about "asymmetrical language use"

[Randall Gellens <[e-mail]>]

The text seems clear to me that it is per media 
stream.  It says "each media stream primarily 
intended for human language communication".

At 12:39 PM +0100 1/10/18, Gunnar Hellstrom wrote:

>  No, the proposed change is wrong.
>  The reason why it says "one" for the 
> asymmetrical  case is that the rule is stated 
> per media only. In the asymmetrical case you 
> have hlang-send in one media and hlang-recv in 
> another media.
>
>  By the discussion now, I think it is evident 
> that a better explanation is needed. It is easy 
> to forget that the wording is per media.
>
>  (You can of course imagine a case when you want 
> to offer both symmetric and asymmetric  use for 
> selection by the answerer, but then you also 
> need the possibility to set preference between 
> language in different media that we have 
> discussed a lot but not included. )
>
>  /Gunnar
>
>
>
>  Gunnar Hellström
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>  -------- Originalmeddelande --------
>  Från: Randall Gellens <[e-mail]>
>  Datum: 2018-01-10 01:54 (GMT+01:00)
>  Till: Bernard Aboba <[e-mail]>
>  Kopia: [e-mail], Gunnar Hellström <[e-mail]>
>  Rubrik: Re: [Slim] Question about "asymmetrical language use"
>
>  It's in -23, which I've held off uploading, to see if any more
>  comments come in.
>
>  At 4:29 PM -0800 1/9/18, Bernard Aboba wrote:
>
>>   That would help, thanks,
>>
>>>   On Jan 9, 2018, at 3:50 PM, Randall Gellens
>>>  <[e-mail]> wrote:
>>>
>>>   The wording is intended to permit only one to be specified for
>>>  asymmertical use cases, it is not intended to disallow both to be
>>>  specified.  This could be clarified by adding "or both":
>>>
>>>     When placing an emergency call, and in any other case where the
>>>     language cannot be inferred from context, in an offer each media
>>>     stream primarily intended for human language communication SHOULD
>>>     specify both (or for asymmetrical language use, one or both of) the
>>>     'hlang-send' and 'hlang-recv' attributes.
>>>
>>>
>>>   At 3:07 PM -0800 1/9/18, Bernard Aboba wrote:
>>>
>>>>   In Section 5.1 of -22, I noted the following sentence:
>>>>
>>>>   " When placing an emergency call, and in any other case where the
>>>>  language cannot be inferred from context, in an offer each media
>>>>  stream primarily intended for human language communication SHOULD
>>>>  specify both (or for asymmetrical language use, one of) the
>>>>  'hlang- send' and 'hlang-recv' attributes."
>>>>
>>>>   [BA] In our previous discussions, we have talked about scenarios
>>>>  (e.g. speech impaired, but not hearing impaired) in which it is
>>>>  useful to include both 'hlang-send' and 'hlang-recv' so as to
>>>>  accommodate user needs.  Wouldn't such a scenario qualify as
>>>>  "asymmetrical language use"?  If so, how could the user's needs
>>>>  be accommodated with only one of the 'hlang-send' or 'hlang-recv'
>>>>  attributes?
>>>>
>>>>
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