Re: header-munging
Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu> Mon, 23 September 1996 21:38 UTC
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From: Keith Moore <moore@cs.utk.edu>
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Subject: Re: header-munging
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 21 Sep 1996 14:25:26 PDT." <22875.843341126@odin.nma.com>
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Stef writes: > Our job in the standards business is to define the ABSTRACT model and > the interactions between ABSTRACT model components. > > Out job is NOT to decide anything about how an implementation might > actually make it happen, as long as no ABSTRACT MODEL violations can > be detected outside the boundaries of the code that does the work. I strongly disagree. Our job is to make the net work well, using such tools as we have at our disposal. (Our tools tend to be published documents, but also include hallway discussions, technical meetings, private email, and other mechanisms for sharing information.) We don't have to artifically limit ourselves to writing standards documents in terms of abstract models. Abstract models are fine things, and are quite useful in the proper context. It's true in general that we try not to constrain implementations more than necessary. Instead, we define the protocols to be used on the wire. This is in keeping with the longstanding goal of letting the Internet be composed of -- and work well with -- a wide variety of systems and users. Defining the protocols isn't enough to make the net work well. We must also describe the context in which those protocols are expected to be used. Abstract models help supply the missing context. But defining the abstract model, without considering what implementations are likely to do in practice, does not produce a working system. Case in point: There's nothing wrong with the abstract model we are currently using for email. The problem we have -- that MUAs don't generate correctly formatted messages -- isn't due to a failing of the abstract model, but due to the practical difficulty of supplying the MUA with the correct information that it needs to do the job right. Splitting the MUA into two abstract components -- one of which generates a message on the basis of incomplete or inaccurate information and the other of which fixes it up -- isn't going to help, UNLESS we somehow significantly increase the liklihood that the component that fixes things up has more accurate information than present-day MUAs. NONE of the proposals which use SMTP in any way to do "fixup" of submitted messages are ANY more likely (certainly not "significantly" more likely) to produce correct messages than the status quo. We can twiddle the abstract model all we want, but if IN PRACTICE, the guy doing the fixup still lacks the correct information, we will not have improved the reliability of email. We'll have succeeded only in creating a new way to talk about the same old problem (we'll blame a different component of the system), and perhaps even in making the problem worse than it is now. On the other hand, if we want to improve the reliability of email, we need to arrange things so that the component that generates the message that goes out on the wire, is likely IN PRACTICE to have all of the information that it needs to do so. That means that the parts of the message which are dependent on the sender's environment, need to be somehow supplied by the sender's environment. The whole approach of transmitting an incomplete 822 message over a network connection, and having it be "fixed up" by the entity at the other end of that connection, makes it likely that the "fixup guy" will be in a different environment than the sender, and thus likely that the "fixup guy" will not have the information it needs. So the whole approach is likely to lose. Keith
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