Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting
Mark Townsley <townsley@cisco.com> Sat, 24 December 2005 18:37 UTC
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Cc: "Durand, Alain" <Alain_Durand@cable.comcast.com>, "softwires@ietf.org" <softwires@ietf.org>, Yong <yong@csnet1.cs.tsinghua.edu.cn>, xing.cernet@gmail.com
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Marshall Eubanks wrote: > Note that SANOG is January 23-24 in Mumbai, and it is a lot easier to > get from Mumbai to Hong Kong than Mumbai to > San Jose. If it was Jan 26-27 in Hong Kong I might be able to attend, > and I know of some others at SANOG > who might be as well. Is there any chance a Hong Kong meeting could > be delayed until Jan 26-27 ? Jan 27 is the 6lowpan interim in the Bay area, I would not be able to attend if the meeting is 26-27 in HK. I might be able to make 23-24 in HK, but would prefer something between Feb 7 and Feb 17 (the last day possible to meet the 30-day advance for IETF guidelines). - Mark > > Regards > Marshall Eubanks > > > > On Dec 23, 2005, at 9:36 AM, Xing Li wrote: > >> Dear Chairs, >> >> As we scheduled in Vancouver meeting, we hope to have this interim >> in Hong Kong. The Department of Information Engineering in Chinese >> University of Hong Kong (CUHK) would like to host the meeting room. >> The IE department has a couple of fairly large rooms in the new >> engineering building that are not used for class rooms. The normal >> capacity of the room should be 70 people, with chairs, projector, >> and possibility for break up meeting. There are a couple of other >> meeting rooms which can be used for break up meetings if necessary. >> Although these are department rooms, we need to book it as early as >> possible. We only need to acknowledge their support somehow as a co- >> sponsor of the meeting. >> >> By the way, Chinese New Year is on Jan. 29. At that time, most Chinese >> may have a vacation of more than one week. We should probably avoid >> the Chinese New Year days since there will be less support - such as >> shuttle bus within the campus, restaurants, and the help of some >> staff members here. >> >> Hongkong has a well developed metro system (like Paris), and CUHK is >> just at the University Station of Metro Black Line at the north of >> HK. It is less than about half an hour to take metro from downtown >> to CUHK, so individuals can live in most hotels in HK. One option >> here is "Royal Park Hotel" (http://www.royalpark.com.hk/) at a big >> shopping plaza, which is only two stops away along the Metro Black >> Line. >> >> In summary, >> >> Hong Kong: hosted by Chinese University of Hong Kong: Jan 23-24 or >> 24-25 >> No cost to participants for the meeting room. >> >> If you have any questions, please let us know. >> >> Xing Li >> >> David Ward wrote: >> >>> All - >>> >>> Apologies if anyone felt left out of the process, it wasn't the >>> intent of >>> the initial posting by Alain and myself on the proposed dates. >>> Perhaps the >>> wording was not adequate to represent what we wanted to convey >>> which is >>> below: >>> Those that can host the event (provide the room - enough for 75, >>> breakfast >>> and lunch for all days) please reply to Alain and myself so that we >>> can >>> organize the posting of the available locations and dates. From >>> that we will >>> select the venue and dates that the most people can attend. Please >>> have the >>> host offers between Jan 23 and Feb 10th. So far, we have: >>> >>> >>> San Jose, California (SJC) hosted by Cisco: Jan 23-24 or 24-25 >>> No cost to participants for the meeting room and early and >>> midday meal. >>> Voice conferencing will be made available if desired. >>> >>> >>> NOTE: Since we were in Europe last time, it would be best if we >>> were in Asia >>> or Americas. >>> >>> There is no binding to the initially proposed date unless >>> significant number >>> of folks have made their travel arrangements. If folks have made >>> plans and >>> they cannot be changed, please reply to Alain and myself. The >>> reason this >>> week was chosen is that it is the time and location our ADs could >>> join us as >>> they will both be in the Bay Area on other IESG work. Note that >>> the 26-27 >>> and 30-31 are not available due to either WG chair or AD conflict. >>> >>> A couple of pragmatic reminders: there is little chance we can find >>> a date >>> and location that will satisfy everyone but, we will try our best >>> to get the >>> most people in a comfortable room that will not cost too much in >>> travel >>> expenses. Apologies in advance for folks that cannot make this >>> meeting due >>> to conflict or expense. All work will of course be published to the >>> list for >>> final approval and/or explanation. >>> >>> We unfortunately have to finalize the location and dates by the >>> 29th of >>> December so, please get any further offers of hosting the meeting >>> to us as >>> soon as possible. Our initial delays were due to getting the problem >>> statement into LC. Please don't forget to send any final comments >>> to the >>> list for inclusion. Spencer Dawkins has also graciously taken the >>> token to >>> check the grammar and readability of the document. Cutoff of the LC >>> is the >>> 31st of Dec. >>> >>> Many thanks and apologies for the confusion. >>> >>> -DWard, Alain >>> >>> On 12/20/05 11:50 AM, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ" >>> <jordi.palet@consulintel.es> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> As I already indicated a few days ago by private email, I oppose >>>> to those >>>> dates. >>>> >>>> The reason is very simple. There has not been a democratic and >>>> fair/open way >>>> to propose several dates so the participants interested, and >>>> especially >>>> those that have been contributing more during the last 2 years or >>>> so, can >>>> try to make a match which is convenient for as many as them as >>>> possible. >>>> >>>> I already suggested in Vancouver to the co-chairs that we need to >>>> plan ahead >>>> candidate dates and venue (at that time Hong Kong was suggested). >>>> I was >>>> ignored, and I was polite to avoid coming into the mailing list to >>>> raise the >>>> situation for the benefit of all and clearly that has been not a good >>>> decision from my side. >>>> >>>> Basically I¹ve proposed the following dates: >>>> >>>>>>>> - 26-27, January >>>>>>>> - 30-31, January >>>>>>>> - 1-3, February >>>>>>>> - 16-17, February >>>>>>>> >>>> As you can see, the first of them is right after the actual >>>> proposal (the >>>> idea was having this meeting before middle of Feb anyway). >>>> >>>> Of course, if we want to have a good meeting, clearly we will like >>>> to have >>>> all the participants with candidate solution, otherwise, the meeting >>>> discussion will need to be repeated across the list for the missing >>>> candidate solutions, and it means that we will not achieve the >>>> meeting goals >>>> of moving faster. >>>> >>>> Furthermore, according to latest review of the IETF TAO document >>>> (draft-hoffman-taobis-01.txt) the Interim meetings: >>>> "Location and timing need to allow fair access for all >>>> participants". This >>>> seems to follow the idea of RFC2418 on this topic. >>>> >>>> Similarly, http://www.ietf.org/IESG/STATEMENTS/Interim- >>>> meetings.txt (IESG >>>> guidance on interim IETF Working Group meetings and conference >>>> calls), >>>> summarize that they must be scheduled (location/timing) with fair >>>> access for >>>> all WG participants. >>>> >>>> This has *NOT* been the case. The mistake of the lack of planning, >>>> when it >>>> could have been done, has broken the fair access to the meeting >>>> for all WG >>>> participants. Also, planning definitively will have impacted >>>> positively in >>>> the review of the problem statement document towards the last >>>> call, which >>>> was a prerequisite in order to convey into this meeting. >>>> >>>> I hope we can now look, open and democratically, into candidate >>>> dates for >>>> all the interested participants to arrange this. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Jordi >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> De: "Durand, Alain" <Alain_Durand@cable.comcast.com> >>>> Responder a: <softwires-bounces@ietf.org> >>>> Fecha: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:53:17 -0500 >>>> Para: <softwires@ietf.org>, David Ward <dward@cisco.com> >>>> Conversación: Softwire Interim Meeting >>>> Asunto: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting >>>> >>>> As announced in Vancouver, we are going to hold a softwire interim >>>> meeting >>>> in January. >>>> The agenda will be the analysis of candidate solutions against the >>>> softwire >>>> problem statement >>>> currrently in last call. >>>> >>>> It will be in California, Bay Area, most probably at Cisco in San >>>> Jose, the >>>> week of Jan 23rd to 27th. >>>> >>>> We are looking at a 2 day meeting and we have a choice of either: >>>> a) Monday 23rd, Tueday 24th >>>> b) Tuesday 24th, Wednesday 25th >>>> >>>> Please let the chairs know if you have any strong preference for >>>> either of >>>> those options >>>> by the end of this week. >>>> >>>> I will announce the definitive dates and exact location on Monday >>>> next week. >>>> >>>> - Alain & David. >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Softwires mailing list >>>> Softwires@ietf.org >>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Softwires mailing list >>>> Softwires@ietf.org >>>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Softwires mailing list >>> Softwires@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Softwires mailing list >> Softwires@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > > > > _______________________________________________ > Softwires mailing list > Softwires@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires > _______________________________________________ Softwires mailing list Softwires@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/softwires
- [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Durand, Alain
- RE: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Ed Koehler Jr
- RE: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Chris Metz (chmetz)
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Mark Townsley
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting David Ward
- RE: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Durand, Alain
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Simon Barber
- RE: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting BAUDOT Alain RD-CORE-CAE
- RE: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Ed Koehler Jr
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Xing Li
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Marshall Eubanks
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Mark Townsley
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Mark Townsley
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Joe Abley
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Xing Li
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting JORDI PALET MARTINEZ
- RE: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting Farrell, Lee
- Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting David Ward