Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting

[JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[e-mail]>]

Hi,

For me 6-7 in HK will be fine. It will be also feasible for me from Feb. 1st
to 10th, in case it is easier for others.

I guess other interested participants need to speak up *now* and confirm
what best fits to them.

Please, let's fix it now and avoid missing the deadlines again !

Regards,
Jordi




> De: Xing Li <[e-mail]>
> Responder a: <[e-mail]>
> Fecha: Sun, 25 Dec 2005 22:02:07 +0800
> Para: Mark Townsley <[e-mail]>
> CC: David Ward <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>,
> "[e-mail]" <[e-mail]>, "Durand, Alain"
> <[e-mail]>, Yong <[e-mail]>,
> <[e-mail]>
> Asunto: Re: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting
> 
> Dear Mark and All,
> 
> Based on the suggestions received, with the help of CUHK, we can host
> the interim
> meeting on Feb. 6-7.
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> In summary,
> 
> Hong Kong: hosted by Chinese University of Hong Kong: Feb. 6-7
> No cost to participants for the meeting room.
> 
> Additional information,
> 
> The official Chinese new year holidays for the university are
> Jan 28-31. For Feb 3 on wards, everything will
> be back to noraml.
> 
> For hotels, the hotel in Shatin is most convenient. The following
> is some hotel information from a recent workshop at City Univ.
>    http://www.cs.cityu.edu.hk/~wine2005/hotel.htm
> These hotels should be close to the train stops, and hence should
> be convenient.  For those who are more budget-minded, there might
> be some guest house rooms on the campus of CUHK as well.
> 
> This is the official link to CUHK
>    http://www.cuhk.edu.hk/v5/en/
> There should be a map, and some info about campus shuttle bus.
> The proposed meeting room is in the William Mong Engineering Building.
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Xing Li
> CERNET
> 
> 
> Mark Townsley wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Thank you, Prof Li.
>> 
>> It's a little late to get the 30-day advance notice to everyone for a
>> Jan 23 meeting. In fact, with the secretariat on vacation it is
>> probably impossible to get this to ietf-announce in time even for Jan
>> 24. Would the offer to host in HK be possible some days during the
>> week of Feb 13? I'd like a little more list discussion now that we
>> have more than one offer for hosting, and the US and Europe are now
>> largely on vacation.
>> 
>> - Mark
>> 
>> Xing Li wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Chairs,
>>> 
>>> As we scheduled in Vancouver meeting, we hope to have this interim
>>> in Hong Kong. The Department of Information Engineering in Chinese
>>> University of Hong Kong (CUHK) would like to host the meeting room.
>>> The IE department has a couple of fairly large rooms in the new
>>> engineering building that are not used for class rooms.  The normal
>>> capacity of the room should be 70 people, with chairs, projector,
>>> and possibility for break up meeting.  There are a couple of other
>>> meeting rooms which can be used for break up meetings if necessary.
>>> Although these are department rooms, we need to book it as early as
>>> possible. We only need to acknowledge their support somehow as a
>>> co-sponsor of the meeting.
>>> 
>>> By the way, Chinese New Year is on Jan. 29. At that time, most Chinese
>>> may have a vacation of more than one week. We should probably avoid
>>> the Chinese New Year days since there will be less support - such as
>>> shuttle bus within the campus, restaurants, and the help of some
>>> staff members here.
>>> 
>>> Hongkong has a well developed metro system (like Paris), and CUHK is
>>> just at the University Station of Metro Black Line at the north of
>>> HK. It is less than about half an hour to take metro from downtown to
>>> CUHK, so individuals can live in most hotels in HK. One option here
>>> is "Royal Park Hotel" (http://www.royalpark.com.hk/) at a big
>>> shopping plaza, which is only two stops away along the Metro Black Line.
>>> 
>>> In summary,
>>> 
>>> Hong Kong: hosted by Chinese University of Hong Kong: Jan 23-24 or 24-25
>>>     No cost to participants for the meeting room.
>>> 
>>> If you have any questions, please let us know.
>>> 
>>> Xing Li
>>> 
>>> David Ward wrote:
>>> 
>>>> All -
>>>> 
>>>> Apologies if anyone felt left out of the process, it wasn't the
>>>> intent of
>>>> the initial posting by Alain and myself on the proposed dates.
>>>> Perhaps the
>>>> wording was not adequate to represent what we wanted to convey which is
>>>> below:
>>>> Those that can host the event (provide the room - enough for 75,
>>>> breakfast
>>>> and lunch for all days) please reply to Alain and myself so that we can
>>>> organize the posting of the available locations and dates. From that
>>>> we will
>>>> select the venue and dates that the most people can attend. Please
>>>> have the
>>>> host offers between Jan 23 and Feb 10th. So far, we have:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> San Jose, California (SJC) hosted by Cisco: Jan 23-24 or 24-25
>>>>    No cost to participants for the meeting room and early and midday
>>>> meal.
>>>>    Voice conferencing will be made available if desired.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> NOTE: Since we were in Europe last time, it would be best if we were
>>>> in Asia
>>>> or Americas.
>>>> 
>>>> There is no binding to the initially proposed date unless
>>>> significant number
>>>> of folks have made their travel arrangements. If folks have made
>>>> plans and
>>>> they cannot be changed, please reply to Alain and myself. The reason
>>>> this
>>>> week was chosen is that it is the time and location our ADs could
>>>> join us as
>>>> they will both be in the Bay Area on other IESG work.  Note that the
>>>> 26-27
>>>> and 30-31 are not available due to either WG chair or AD conflict.
>>>> 
>>>> A couple of pragmatic reminders: there is little chance we can find
>>>> a date
>>>> and location that will satisfy everyone but, we will try our best to
>>>> get the
>>>> most people in a comfortable room that will not cost too much in travel
>>>> expenses. Apologies in advance for folks that cannot make this
>>>> meeting due
>>>> to conflict or expense. All work will of course be published to the
>>>> list for
>>>> final approval and/or explanation.
>>>> 
>>>> We unfortunately have to finalize the location and dates by the 29th of
>>>> December so, please get any further offers of hosting the meeting to
>>>> us as
>>>> soon as possible. Our initial delays were due to getting the problem
>>>> statement into LC. Please don't forget to send any final comments to
>>>> the
>>>> list for inclusion. Spencer Dawkins has also graciously taken the
>>>> token to
>>>> check the grammar and readability of the document. Cutoff of the LC
>>>> is the
>>>> 31st of Dec.
>>>> 
>>>> Many thanks and apologies for the confusion.
>>>> 
>>>> -DWard, Alain
>>>> 
>>>> On 12/20/05 11:50 AM, "JORDI PALET MARTINEZ"
>>>> <[e-mail]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> As I already indicated a few days ago by private email, I oppose to
>>>>> those
>>>>> dates.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The reason is very simple. There has not been a democratic and
>>>>> fair/open way
>>>>> to propose several dates so the participants interested, and
>>>>> especially
>>>>> those that have been contributing more during the last 2 years or
>>>>> so, can
>>>>> try to make a match which is convenient for as many as them as
>>>>> possible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I already suggested in Vancouver to the co-chairs that we need to
>>>>> plan ahead
>>>>> candidate dates and venue (at that time Hong Kong was suggested). I
>>>>> was
>>>>> ignored, and I was polite to avoid coming into the mailing list to
>>>>> raise the
>>>>> situation for the benefit of all and clearly that has been not a good
>>>>> decision from my side.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Basically I¹ve proposed the following dates:
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> - 26-27, January
>>>>>>>>> - 30-31, January
>>>>>>>>> - 1-3, February
>>>>>>>>> - 16-17, February
>>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>> As you can see, the first of them is right after the actual
>>>>> proposal (the
>>>>> idea was having this meeting before middle of Feb anyway).
>>>>> 
>>>>> Of course, if we want to have a good meeting, clearly we will like
>>>>> to have
>>>>> all the participants with candidate solution, otherwise, the meeting
>>>>> discussion will need to be repeated across the list for the missing
>>>>> candidate solutions, and it means that we will not achieve the
>>>>> meeting goals
>>>>> of moving faster.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Furthermore, according to latest review of the IETF TAO document
>>>>> (draft-hoffman-taobis-01.txt) the Interim meetings:
>>>>> "Location and timing need to allow fair access for all
>>>>> participants". This
>>>>> seems to follow the idea of RFC2418 on this topic.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Similarly, http://www.ietf.org/IESG/STATEMENTS/Interim-meetings.txt
>>>>> (IESG
>>>>> guidance on interim IETF Working Group meetings and conference calls),
>>>>> summarize that they must be scheduled (location/timing) with fair
>>>>> access for
>>>>> all WG participants.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This has *NOT* been the case. The mistake of the lack of planning,
>>>>> when it
>>>>> could have been done, has broken the fair access to the meeting for
>>>>> all WG
>>>>> participants. Also, planning definitively will have impacted
>>>>> positively in
>>>>> the review of the problem statement document towards the last call,
>>>>> which
>>>>> was a prerequisite in order to convey into this meeting.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope we can now look, open and democratically, into candidate
>>>>> dates for
>>>>> all the interested participants to arrange this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jordi
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> De: "Durand, Alain" <[e-mail]>
>>>>> Responder a: <[e-mail]>
>>>>> Fecha: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 14:53:17 -0500
>>>>> Para: <[e-mail]>, David Ward <[e-mail]>
>>>>> Conversación: Softwire Interim Meeting
>>>>> Asunto: [Softwires] Softwire Interim Meeting
>>>>> 
>>>>> As announced in Vancouver, we are going to hold a softwire interim
>>>>> meeting
>>>>> in January.
>>>>> The agenda will be the analysis of candidate solutions against the
>>>>> softwire
>>>>> problem statement
>>>>> currrently in last call.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It will be in California, Bay Area, most probably at Cisco in San
>>>>> Jose, the
>>>>> week of Jan 23rd to 27th.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We are looking at a 2 day meeting and we have a choice of either:
>>>>> a) Monday 23rd, Tueday 24th
>>>>> b) Tuesday 24th, Wednesday 25th
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please let the chairs know if you have any strong preference for
>>>>> either of
>>>>> those options
>>>>> by the end of this week.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I will announce the definitive dates and exact location on Monday
>>>>> next week.
>>>>> 
>>>>>  - Alain & David.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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