Re: [spring] We don't seem to be following our processes (Re: Network Programming - Penultimate Segment Popping)

Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net> Fri, 06 December 2019 20:26 UTC

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From: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
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Subject: Re: [spring] We don't seem to be following our processes (Re: Network Programming - Penultimate Segment Popping)
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Ole,

In that case, peace!

                               Ron



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From: otroan@employees.org <otroan@employees.org> 
Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 3:17 PM
To: Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>
Cc: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>om>; Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>om>; SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>rg>; 6man <6man@ietf.org>rg>; int-ads@ietf.org; Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>om>; rtg-ads <rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org>rg>; Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
Subject: Re: [spring] We don't seem to be following our processes (Re: Network Programming - Penultimate Segment Popping)

Hi Ron,

> I am not quite sure how to take this email. Are you suggesting that we should review less, post less, and let the rubber stamping begin?

No, not at all. And if it was open for that interpretation I am sorry.
But there are a should's all of us could improve on.
- not repeat the same argument again and again
- think twice before sending another email (yes, I know I have failed terribly today)
- contribute positively, and contribute to document text
- try to find consensus with our opponents
- ...

> Since you have named me, personally, are you suggesting that my contributions have been less than helpful.

No, of course not. A list of top ten posters in the last 30 days does of course not give any indication of quality of contribution.
And the only thing that statistics says is that within the last 30 days you are ranked 5th in the number of messages you have sent.
(Not that I think we would want to or could measure such a thing.)

112 of 162 messages in the last 30 days are sent by the top ten posters.
Most of them are on one side of the EH insertion argument.

With regards to Andrew's comment, draw your own conclusion.

Best regards,
Ole

PS: To take my own advice, believing that I have made my points too many times already, I will try my best to avoid any further postings on this subject.
Have a nice weekend.




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>                                                                                                 Ron
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> Juniper Business Use Only
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> Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 2:42 PM
> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com>
> Cc: Tom Herbert <tom@herbertland.com>om>; Ron Bonica <rbonica@juniper.net>et>; SPRING WG <spring@ietf.org>rg>; 6man <6man@ietf.org>rg>; int-ads@ietf.org; Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>om>; rtg-ads <rtg-ads@tools.ietf.org>rg>; Fernando Gont <fgont@si6networks.com>
> Subject: Re: [spring] We don't seem to be following our processes (Re: Network Programming - Penultimate Segment Popping)
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>> While I may agree with you that is an attack on process here – and you may even find consensus on that statement – I am far from convinced you would find consensus on the question of which group is conducting the attack on process.
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> From https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ipv6/?qdr=m&so=frm__;!8WoA6RjC81c!S6FKrq2Xdn2_T2g0140QWYsg_JFo3VitTbn1Jsdnz7Hvh5mRgNDATSSm3OJBQ82k$ 
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> The last month's 10 top posters are:
> Fernando: 25
> Ole:      17 (including this message :-))
> Bob:      12
> Brian:    11
> Ron:      10
> Tom:       9
> Gyan:      8
> Sander:    8
> Andrew:    7
> Enno:      6
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> Ole
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