Re: [spring] We don't seem to be following our processes (Re: Network Programming - Penultimate Segment Popping)

Andrew Alston <> Fri, 06 December 2019 19:27 UTC

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Subject: Re: [spring] We don't seem to be following our processes (Re: Network Programming - Penultimate Segment Popping)
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While I may agree with you that is an attack on process here – and you may even find consensus on that statement – I am far from convinced you would find consensus on the question of which group is conducting the attack on process.


From: spring <> on behalf of "" <>
Date: Friday, 6 December 2019 at 22:14
To: Tom Herbert <>
Cc: Ron Bonica <>rg>, SPRING WG <>rg>, 6man <>rg>, "" <>rg>, Bob Hinden <>om>, rtg-ads <>rg>, Fernando Gont <>
Subject: Re: [spring] We don't seem to be following our processes (Re: Network Programming - Penultimate Segment Popping)


> Bear in mind that quality discussion is real work by those
> participating. It is a lot of effort to carefully read drafts, give
> clear feedback, and respond to rebuttals. I would like to think that
> the work individuals put in is justified by the outcome, and I assume
> it the chairs prerogative to steer the discussion as necessary to
> drive towards a discernible outcome in a finite amount of time.

Unfortunately the IETF process is open to attacks.
It appears that something akin to a proxy war is being fought.
Some things has to be in place for a consensus based process to work,
which looks to be missing here.

While the chairs have some tools to their disposition; for this to work
it requires the actors and the whole community to respect and
self-police that process.

How frustrating it may be for the spectators,
letting it play out may be the best option we got.

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