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Re: [Tcpcrypt] v3 of the charter

Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu> Thu, 01 May 2014 00:16 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Tcpcrypt] v3 of the charter
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On 4/30/2014 5:10 PM, Tony Arcieri wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Joe Touch <touch@isi.edu
> <mailto:touch@isi.edu>> wrote:
>
>     They're also both clients because they issue the initial (non-ACK)
>     SYN. So they're both - which is why most TCP protocol specification
>     docs tend not to use the term client/server.
>
> Are you attempting to describe TCP hole punching in a NAT firewall? If
> that's the case, it's a race, and one side will win...

Simultaneous open existed long before NATs.

Joe

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