Re: [TLS] Security review of TLS1.3 0-RTT

Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> Wed, 03 May 2017 04:24 UTC

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Date: Tue, 02 May 2017 23:22:28 -0500
From: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>
To: Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>
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Subject: Re: [TLS] Security review of TLS1.3 0-RTT
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On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 04:41:52PM -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> On Tue, May 2, 2017 at 4:02 PM, Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, May 02, 2017 at 03:53:48PM -0700, Eric Rescorla wrote:
> > > It's not XOR. It's addition mod 2^32. That's important because the
> > > *difference*
> > > between the ticket replay times is directly observable anyway.
> >
> > Computationally there's no real difference between that and XOR.
> 
> What information do you believe you are gathering here?

I believe the attack described is finding the time of the session's
establishment.

Nico
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