Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-rc4-01.txt
Alyssa Rowan <akr@akr.io> Tue, 21 October 2014 08:17 UTC
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Subject: Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-rc4-01.txt
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 21 October 2014 06:58:23 BST, "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote: >+1 > >Kill RC4 or put our face on it and face the public embarrassment. Strong +1. I couldn't be stronger here. I think we have rough consensus to publish this draft as-is right now, despite a couple of vocal but wrong-headed objections. I don't think further discussion makes RC4 any more, or less, weak, but delay keeps people using it for longer and that is bad. If this WG cannot even achieve rough consensus about turning off a weak 20-year-old piece-of-crap cipher everyone knows is bad and which many fear will soon be (according to some sources has already been) broken catastrophically and irretrievably, then we have a much deeper problem and this WG is going to look utterly ineffectual and useless - which would mean taking our security, and pushing it somewhere else which can deal with it. If you're waiting for a catastrophic break to be published to disable a cipher when it's already a decade overdue and you've been warned it's weak, then sorry but you're a complete idiot, attackers have saved all your juicy ciphertexts for the promised day, and will just sit there looking back at your (and your customers') precious data. Anyone is free to ignore an RFC: just remember Chris, we warned you RC4 was weak; we told you that you MUST NOT use it in the clearest possible language. If you want to ignore that, you're facing the music when a break is published. Keeping RC4 enabled is the kind of thing you should, and will, fail audits for. Don't make me get the whips out! ;-) - -- /akr -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: APG v1.1.1 iQI3BAEBCgAhBQJURhUGGhxBbHlzc2EgUm93YW4gPGFrckBha3IuaW8+AAoJEOyE jtkWi2t6088P/imVPNrVpDrcyG0Gsl/5sMCqasrzSfDEG8ZJZNUNGQ3msCA1SzYr XEx4FVHVX2/0fwrDftIU/N+1ECiV+l6PQf7Xoeh6XBr0P8gxMocb49J2rlZGhV9c aZPfz40wktglMJYNlXoKu2GsoUTOaBY+DUiOygpB0nerix9k06FXcuu26y3eGyB+ bMlL2oxNvrpYJtbBNrPaRAKr1xee8AwaQzWkWoqeqjBJjwCKGp98SUS96jpXddp3 P55CDs15LsMP2dHJtkM6xS1OZWAHEZwG+3BSGJOgrkMD1hMstwNAFtJxTmOc/BRs uFbUpYISxp1s+6ZZYH94e8Nzcr0mF6AYS3AjAXTZDGzl62LQajafxLVA13Bokoia KHvvxylIvDNqSYu4nysJrjOX8rnrDk1m7dPZBG1Yj++4zJZ5KbxBUhzjYooX0yzp IWIeveDOswD4n8oTKeRN3CnwYc25GLHhyg+jGrs5ullFNKwTh12G726XTd8FeGOO AdMO0T23qhj2JpzOT2v8fd2+03FEWhkc24w/2BrdtfwZWOwN1CG9kaIMnkUzOefd 50Myy1Iws33P6tOm4X/v7vvtDLQo+aZbfHebkU4289j4D1e+e50QfWR+AYqhOOI7 dKkVMIiZALHTnlLFn9dMO2UIjlYffaugjQNBvppcqWviarYW4zi5cVNi =t57m -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Hanno Böck
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Alyssa Rowan
- [TLS] adopting ChaCha20 as a WG item was: I-D Act… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] adopting ChaCha20 as a WG item was: I-D… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] adopting ChaCha20 as a WG item was: I-D… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Bodo Moeller
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [TLS] adopting ChaCha20 as a WG item was: I-D… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Geoffrey Keating
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Watson Ladd
- [TLS] why Chacha20-SHA1 was: adopting ChaCha20 as… Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
- Re: [TLS] why Chacha20-SHA1 was: adopting ChaCha2… Joachim Strömbergson
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Peter Gutmann
- Re: [TLS] why Chacha20-SHA1 was: adopting ChaCha2… Brian Smith
- Re: [TLS] why Chacha20-SHA1 was: adopting ChaCha2… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… James Cloos
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Paul Lambert
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Ryan Carboni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Carl S. Gutekunst
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… James Cloos
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Hubert Kario
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Martin Rex
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Ralph Holz
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Ronald del Rosario
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Chris Newman
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Joseph Salowey
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Watson Ladd
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Andrei Popov
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Alyssa Rowan
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Yoav Nir
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Ryan Carboni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Ryan Carboni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Paterson, Kenny
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Hubert Kario
- [TLS] Fw: I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0558 - MITLL
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Stephen Checkoway
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Salz, Rich
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Daniel Kahn Gillmor
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Geoffrey Keating
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Viktor Dukhovni
- Re: [TLS] I-D Action: draft-ietf-tls-prohibiting-… Blumenthal, Uri - 0558 - MITLL