Re: [tram] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-tram-turn-third-party-authz-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

"Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> Tue, 21 April 2015 18:40 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tram] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-tram-turn-third-party-authz-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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> I'm not sure that key length alone is enough to facilitate the current hash
> agility plan, which is to require a client to send both SHA256 and
> SHA1 HMACs. IMO, either this draft should require 256 bit keys minimum and
> describe what to do to generate a SHA1 key (probably run SHA1 on the
> SHA256 key) or the stunbis editors should commit to providing this
> information in stunbis. I just want to be certain that we will be telling
> implementors what to do somewhere.

+1.

It seems that this draft is the place to put "how to turn the 256bit HMAC key into something usable for the sha1 hmac"

Key size is not an unambiguous algorithm identifier.