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Re: [tram] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-tram-turn-third-party-authz-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

Oleg Moskalenko <mom040267@gmail.com> Tue, 14 April 2015 21:24 UTC

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Subject: Re: [tram] Stephen Farrell's Discuss on draft-ietf-tram-turn-third-party-authz-13: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 1:18 PM, Martin Thomson
<martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 14 April 2015 at 12:53, Oleg Moskalenko <mom040267@gmail.com> wrote:
>> It requires some time to sink in, I admit. But after some time, you
>> will see that it correctly describes the procedures needed to get a
>> third-party authorization for the STUN operations. I agree that this
>> is not an easiest of the readings.
>
>
> A document that requires multiple readings and repeated admonishments
> of "give it more time" is not fit for publication.

Tell us please how many times did you read RFC 5766 until it fully
sunk. If you tell "once" then I'll not believe you. It may be "zero"
or "many times", but not "once".

>
>> You can set the server name to
> "Martin Thomson" and it will be perfectly OK.
>
> OK, you still haven't explained why such a field needs to be defined
> in an RFC.  Ideally, the draft should contain that explanation.

The draft fully explains why we need that field for the sake of
encryption/authorization. I do not believe that it can be explained
clearer.

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