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Re: [tsvwg] New Version Notification for draft-heist-tsvwg-ecn-deployment-observations-02.txt

Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> Tue, 09 March 2021 15:44 UTC

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From: Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [tsvwg] New Version Notification for draft-heist-tsvwg-ecn-deployment-observations-02.txt
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> On 9 Mar, 2021, at 5:42 pm, Gorry Fairhurst <gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk> wrote:
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> I understand that to say: if a router wishes to be compatable with L4S, this is one way to do this. The recommendation(s) could be stronger, if the community thinks this is what is needed.

As I tried to point out in my talk, the problem is that a great many people are already running RFC-3168 compliant AQMs with no knowledge of L4S and, therefore, no "wish to be compatible" with a new spec that explicitly violates the spec they built against.

Myself included.

 - Jonathan Morton

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