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Jonathan Morton <chromatix99@gmail.com> Tue, 09 March 2021 17:18 UTC

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> On 9 Mar, 2021, at 6:33 pm, alex.burr@ealdwulf.org.uk wrote:
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> With hindsight, I'm not sure why rfc8311 (which is standards track) didn't deprecate marking ECT(1) the same way it deprecated endpoints using it, outside experiments.

Because there's more than one possible experiment involving the ECN field.  SCE actually prefers that existing networks and endpoints continue to comply with RFC-3168 in these respects, originating ECT(0) (though if they originated ECT(1) it actually wouldn't hurt anything) and treating both ECT codepoints as equivalent.  If we started treating ECT(1) differently in the network, that would make deploying SCE more difficult.

Which is another reason I'm opposed to pre-emptively moving to accommodate L4S.  But even if I were to make that change "today" (which I probably couldn't, because Linux kernel maintainers also like to be RFC compliant), there would be a *long* transition period as existing equipment sits around with old firmware, during which L4S would still need to accommodate existing networks or stay away from them, not the other way around.

 - Jonathan Morton

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