Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on proposed DULT charter
David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com> Fri, 26 January 2024 22:18 UTC
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From: David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 14:18:29 -0800
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Subject: Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on proposed DULT charter
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Hi Roman, I've reviewed 00-03 and I support this charter text. David (speaking as individual contributor here) On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 7:37 AM Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> wrote: > Thanks for the follow-up. New text merged into 00-03. > > > > *From:* Chris Inacio <inacio@cert.org> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2024 10:07 AM > *To:* Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> > *Cc:* unwanted-trackers@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on proposed DULT > charter > > > > That would be sufficient for me. > > > > > > ---- > > Chris Inacio > > inacio@cert.org > > > > > > > > On Jan 25, 2024, at 12:22 AM, Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> wrote: > > > > Hi Chris! > > > > Thanks for the review. > > > > I see your point on the confusing text in work item #2. I would propose > using the same framing text already in work item #3. Specifically, > s/Develop standards-track best practices/Develop standards-track > guidance/. Would that be clearer? > > > > Roman > > > > *From:* Chris Inacio <inacio@cert.org> > *Sent:* Monday, January 22, 2024 4:25 PM > *To:* Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> > *Cc:* unwanted-trackers@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on proposed DULT > charter > > > > > > I’m not sure I’m in agreement with “Develop standards-track best > practices”. What does that mean? Can you interoperate 3 best practices to > advance the standard? > > > > Otherwise I support the text. > > > > > > ---- > > Chris Inacio > > inacio@cert.org > > > > > > > > > On Jan 18, 2024, at 9:41 PM, Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> wrote: > > > > Warning: External Sender - do not click links or open attachments unless > you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. > > > Hi! > > With the benefit of discussions at two BOFs at IETF 117 and 118, there > appears to be a strong consensus signal to form a WG around the topic of > Detecting Unwanted Location Trackers (DULT) [1]. There also appeared to a > critical mass of energy to do the work (write and review drafts). > > IETF 118 BOF identified critical charter changes that were needed to > refine the DULT scope [2]. In the weeks following the BoF, PRs have been > filed and merged against these open issues. Conversation appears to have > subsided on the list. I’d like to assess where we stand with a formal > consensus check on this revised charter. Please review > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-dult/00-02/ (00-02) and > respond to the list by Thursday, Feb 1, 2024. > > ==[ consensus check question ]== > > Do you support the charter text? Or do you have objections or blocking > concerns (please describe what they might be and how you would propose > addressing the concern)? > > ==[ consensus check question ]== > > If you previously spoke up at the 117/118 BoFs, please repeat yourself > here. The outcome of this consensus check will inform the next steps with > DULT. > > Thanks, > Roman > > [1] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/118/materials/minutes-118-dult-202311061200-00 > [2] > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/unwanted-trackers/mAIFv6ns5GGS79Uch3cj80uVa2U/ > -- > Unwanted-trackers mailing list > Unwanted-trackers@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/unwanted-trackers > > > -- > Unwanted-trackers mailing list > Unwanted-trackers@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/unwanted-trackers >
- [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on propose… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Mirja Kuehlewind (IETF)
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Alana Ramjit
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Corbin Streett
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Eva Galperin
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Brent Ledvina
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Maggie Delano
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Maddie Zug
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… joncallas
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Mallory Knodel
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Yannick Sierra
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Tommy Pauly
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Chad Sniffen
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Erica Olsen
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Watson Ladd
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Chris Inacio
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Chris Inacio
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Klemen Bratec
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Rhiannon Wong
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Nick Doty
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Shambavi (Sham)
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… David Schinazi
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Ben Detwiler
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Siddika Parlak Polatkan
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Michael Richardson
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Siva Movva
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Kris Shrishak
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Cory Francis Myers
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Roman Danyliw
- Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on pro… Roman Danyliw