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Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org> Fri, 02 February 2024 16:45 UTC

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From: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>
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Subject: Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on proposed DULT charter
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Hi Cory!

Thanks for the review.

> -----Original Message-----
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> To: Roman Danyliw <rdd@cert.org>
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> Subject: Re: [Unwanted-trackers] Call for consensus on proposed DULT charter
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> On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 02:41:51AM +0000, Roman Danyliw wrote:
> > ==[ consensus check question ]==
> >
> > Do you support the charter text? Or do you have objections or blocking
> > concerns (please describe what they might be and how you would propose
> > addressing the concern)?
> 
> I support the charter text as of -00-03.
> 
> 
> > ==[ consensus check question ]==
> >
> > If you previously spoke up at the 117/118 BoFs, please repeat yourself
> > here.  The outcome of this consensus check will inform the next steps
> > with DULT.
> 
> Based on the two BoFs, I've filed the following two tickets for the
> record:
> 
> 1. <https://github.com/rdanyliw/ietf-dult/issues/1>, acknowledging that
>    this diagram and its terminology were discussed at both BoFs but are
>    not part of the charter text under consensus call; and

I appreciate the nuance you are suggesting.  However, I'm going to leave this issue unaddressed.  A future WG can to decide how they want to use this diagram, if at all.  I primarily made it to help facilitate our scope discussion.

> 2. <https://github.com/bdetwiler/draft-detecting-unwanted-location-
> trackers/pull/174>,
>    which I intend as a clarification, not a substantive change.

In the spirit of acting on the consensus of the text we have, I'm only going to merge s/WG protocol design/WG's specified mechanisms and protocol design/.  I'd prefer not to litigate a community discussion between the declarative "we won't create new tracking mechanisms" and the more subjective and other qualitative properties of "minimizing" and "not precluding".

Thanks,
Roman

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