Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host
"VAN DE VELDE, Gunter (Nokia - BE)" <gunter.van_de_velde@alcatel-lucent.com> Thu, 07 January 2016 16:12 UTC
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From: "VAN DE VELDE, Gunter (Nokia - BE)" <gunter.van_de_velde@alcatel-lucent.com>
To: "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com>, "draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host@tools.ietf.org" <draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host@tools.ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host
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Hi Fred, This seems no different as with v4 technology at community Wi-Fi… G/ On 07/01/16 16:47, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote: >Hi Gunter, > >OK, so you are saying that the MAC address of the UE is used as the UE identifier. >But, both link-local and MAC addresses can be readily spoofed by an attacker, >either to steal the service of the legitimate node or to deny service to the >legitimate node. In order to avoid that, the UE would have to have some form >of identifier that cannot be spoofed, or sign its messages using a certificate >provisioned by the service provider - even though captive portal is being >used to authenticate the user. > >Thanks - Fred >fred.l.templin@boeing.com > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: VAN DE VELDE, Gunter (Gunter) [mailto:gunter.van_de_velde@alcatel-lucent.com] >> Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2016 1:51 AM >> To: Templin, Fred L; draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host@tools.ietf.org >> Cc: v6ops@ietf.org WG >> Subject: Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-unique-ipv6-prefix-per-host >> >> >> Hi Fred, >> >> >> The WLAN-GW should not care about overlap here, there is a split horizon function and the wlan-gw should be able to handle >> overlapping IPs. Link-local address may be stored to e.g. use when sending RA, but it should not be used as a key, that is the role of >> the MAC address. So as long as MAC addresses don't overlap there should not be a problem distinguishing UEs. >> >> >> That being said, it would be unlikely to happen since link-local addresses in a WiFi context are mostly EUI-64 based and thus encode >> the MAC address which as stated should be unique. >> >> Kind Regards, >> G/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On 06/01/16 21:01, "Templin, Fred L" <Fred.L.Templin@boeing.com> wrote: >> >> >I have what I hope will be a simple question: what if two or more UEs configure >> >identical IPv6 link-local addresses - will the WLAN-GW be able to tell them apart? >> >Asked another way, what kind of unique node identifier does the WLAN-GW >> >expect each UE to provide in the initial RS? >> > >> >Thanks - Fred >> >fred.l.templin@boeing.com
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-uniq… fred
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Lorenzo Colitti
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Tore Anderson
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Tom Herbert
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Mark Smith
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Brzozowski, John
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Fred Baker (fred)
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… joel jaeggli
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… David Farmer
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Eric Vyncke (evyncke)
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… Templin, Fred L
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… VAN DE VELDE, Gunter (Gunter)
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… VAN DE VELDE, Gunter (Gunter)
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… VAN DE VELDE, Gunter (Nokia - BE)
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… VAN DE VELDE, Gunter (Nokia - BE)
- Re: [v6ops] Focused discussion: draft-ietf-v6ops-… VAN DE VELDE, Gunter (Nokia - BE)