Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: FYI: Microsoft's latest on CLAT

Nick Buraglio <buraglio@forwardingplane.net> Mon, 11 March 2024 17:25 UTC

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From: Nick Buraglio <buraglio@forwardingplane.net>
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2024 12:25:17 -0500
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Subject: Re: [v6ops] [EXTERNAL] Re: FYI: Microsoft's latest on CLAT
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On Mon, Mar 11, 2024 at 12:13 PM Tommy Jensen <Jensen.Thomas@microsoft.com>
wrote:

> >This has been my experience as well. Unless there is a financial or
> compliance reason to change, there is no incentive to change. And, this
> applies to not just v6, it's pretty much any technological change,
> especially large ones.
>
> No disagreement there; change is hard and generally needs a good
> motivator.
>
> Having said that, we are seeing more and more customers facing IPv6
> mandates that are translating into higher demand for IPv6 friendliness. I
> would still expect to see IPv6-mostly adoption in the next five years have
> a higher % rate than the previous 5 years based on what I'm seeing, to be
> taken with a large chunk of halite.
>

Absolutely - my comment wasn't meant to portray a negative by any stretch
of the imagination. Personally I see huge leaps in IPv6-only due to my
current role. I see all of this migration as largely inevitable, albeit at
whatever pace makes sense for each individual organization.
The inclusion of CLAT into windows and subsequent deployment thereafter
will be an absolute watershed moment for those of us tasked with disabling
IPv4 across our respective agencies in the USG.
After that, I see deployment only increasing.


>
> Thanks,
>
> Tommy
>