Re: [VCARDDAV] wg concensus to publish? NO

  My experience as a user is that current address book implementations 
are a completely non-interoperable disaster.

I have had the unhappy experience of moving my wifes contacts 3 times - 
which has largely led her back to a paper address book - and i 
completely concur with her decision. I cannot, as an implementor, defend 
the current state of affairs. If you never have to move your contacts 
you may be fine. If you do, they will end up misordered, duplicated or 
just missing - I don't even move my own contacts - it almost never works.

I mostly keep quiet at home about being a vcard 4/carddav implementor.

This is all to say that we have nothing to congratulate ourselves on 
with the current state of affairs.

One of the important questions for the short term - still unanswered - is:

If we go ahead and publish vcard 4 core, what will prevent us getting 
better alignment with PoCo/W3c etc within some reasonable period of time 
in say version 4.1?

On 09/28/2010 11:32 PM, Rohit Khare wrote:
> On Sep 28, 2010, at 8:03 PM, Cyrus Daboo wrote:
>> I am a little confused by this statement. What "brand name" and which 
>> "non-IETF" standard are you referring to?
>
> You are correct, and I should be more careful. The pre-XML vCard3 
> standard (RFC 2425/6) is a fairly direct mapping of the work of the 
> Versit Consortium, as acknowledged in the RFC (as was vCard 2.1 at the 
> IMC, in turn).
>
> You are also correct that I shouldn't call vCard "non-IETF", since rev 
> 3.0 is a Proposed Standard regardless of its origins. vCard4 is a 
> significant improvement (but all the same, a significant departure) 
> from the line-by-line encoding that's in the marketplace today.
>
> The sense in which I believe my observation was intended to be fair 
> and helpful is that the term "vCard" as used by range of products, 
> from embedded hardware to the latest in social Web services in the 
> cloud, all refer to the loosely interoperable line-by-line encoding 
> that's been in use for almost 20 years.
>
> Best,
>   Rohit
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VCard
>> Versitcard was originally proposed in 1995 by the Versit Consortium, 
>> which consisted of Apple, AT&T Technologies (later Lucent), IBM and 
>> Siemens. In December 1996, ownership of the format was handed over to 
>> the Internet Mail Consortium, a trade association for companies with 
>> an interest in Internet e-mail.
> See also the press release handing off to Paul Hoffman, 
> http://www.imc.org/pdi/versit-to-imc.html
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