Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER
Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Fri, 17 December 2010 00:50 UTC
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On 12/16/10 5:40 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 16:19, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> wrote: >> On 12/16/10 4:58 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 15:40, Sarah Dopp <sarah@sarahdopp.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Tantek, do you think there are cases where a form will ask users for both >>>> their sex AND their gender? >>> >>> Implicitly, yes, and there are already some (a few) sites that do this. >>> >>> That is, there are sites (e.g. Digg, and previously, Pownce) that >>> provide a long list of possible "Gender" values which are a >>> combination of various "male" labels, "female" labels, and other >>> labels. By choosing one of these options, the user chooses a gender >>> identity label, and an implied sex in many of the cases as well. >>> >>> >>>> Your system sounds like good data management: it >>>> will allow any system to have either pre-defined or free-form values without >>>> one data set muddling up the other. >>> >>> This is *precisely* correct, and in fact, the goal here is to allow >>> for backward compatibility with the (perhaps simplistic) data models >>> of some sites, while enabling such systems to evolve to allow more >>> options for the sex component and finer granularity of gender >>> identity. >> >> Hi Tantek and Sarah, >> >> Are you proposing that we have two fields, SEX and GENDER? >> >> The SEX field would have values of M,F,U,O, but could be left empty. >> >> The GENDER field would be free-form text. >> >> Am I hearing you correctly? > > Not two fields. > > One structured field "GENDER" with two components: "sex" and "gender > identity", as described here: > > https://wiki.mozilla.org/VCard4-draft-13-review#GENDER > > These should not be disconnected into separate fields because they are > frequently tightly dependent. > > This essence of the proposal (one structured field with two > components) is unchanged since I wrote up my draft 13 review. OK, thanks for the clarification. That sounds like a reasonable approach to me (with my individual contributor hat on). I look forward to hearing from the document editors and other participants. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/
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- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Florian Zeitz
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Tantek Çelik
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Sarah Dopp
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Tantek Çelik
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Tantek Çelik
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Sarah Dopp
- Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER Peter Saint-Andre
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