Re: [VCARDDAV] two component GENDER

Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> Fri, 17 December 2010 00:50 UTC

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On 12/16/10 5:40 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 16:19, Peter Saint-Andre <stpeter@stpeter.im> wrote:
>> On 12/16/10 4:58 PM, Tantek Çelik wrote:
>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 15:40, Sarah Dopp <sarah@sarahdopp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tantek, do you think there are cases where a form will ask users for both
>>>> their sex AND their gender?
>>>
>>> Implicitly, yes, and there are already some (a few) sites that do this.
>>>
>>> That is, there are sites (e.g. Digg, and previously, Pownce) that
>>> provide a long list of possible "Gender" values which are a
>>> combination of various "male" labels, "female" labels, and other
>>> labels.  By choosing one of these options, the user chooses a gender
>>> identity label, and an implied sex in many of the cases as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Your system sounds like good data management: it
>>>> will allow any system to have either pre-defined or free-form values without
>>>> one data set muddling up the other.
>>>
>>> This is *precisely* correct, and in fact, the goal here is to allow
>>> for backward compatibility with the (perhaps simplistic) data models
>>> of some sites, while enabling such systems to evolve to allow more
>>> options for the sex component and finer granularity of gender
>>> identity.
>>
>> Hi Tantek and Sarah,
>>
>> Are you proposing that we have two fields, SEX and GENDER?
>>
>> The SEX field would have values of M,F,U,O, but could be left empty.
>>
>> The GENDER field would be free-form text.
>>
>> Am I hearing you correctly?
> 
> Not two fields.
> 
> One structured field "GENDER" with two components: "sex" and "gender
> identity", as described here:
> 
> https://wiki.mozilla.org/VCard4-draft-13-review#GENDER
> 
> These should not be disconnected into separate fields because they are
> frequently tightly dependent.
> 
> This essence of the proposal (one structured field with two
> components) is unchanged since I wrote up my draft 13 review.

OK, thanks for the clarification. That sounds like a reasonable approach
to me (with my individual contributor hat on). I look forward to hearing
from the document editors and other participants.

Peter

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