Re: [video-codec] draft-filippov-netvc-requirements-01

"Timothy B. Terriberry" <tterribe@xiph.org> Tue, 21 July 2015 16:33 UTC

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Ali C. Begen (abegen) wrote:
>>> And please tell me where Opus is used in the entertainment world?
>>
>> Youtube uses Opus in DASH. WebM defines VP9/Opus as one of its standard
>> profiles.
>
> Youtube creates a lot of traffic and I suppose a large portion of it is vp9/opus but 99.9% of the youtube video is not something I would consider “entertainment grade”. Dont get me wrong, but when you look at CE devices that consume streaming video, vp9/opus is not on the top of the list.

It's still #3 on the Alexa Top 500 global sites.

Also #7 Wikipedia: 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_types#Sound

Broadcast:
http://www.tieline.com/products/G5/Merlin
http://www.gatesair.com/products/transport/audio-contribution-distribution/intraplex-ip-link
http://www.comrex.com/products/briclinkII.html
http://www.obe.tv/about-us/obe-blog/item/14-using-opus-audio-in-broadcasting
http://ebu.io/opensource#codecs

Internet radio:
http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/2012-July/012237.html

Wireless headphones and mics:
http://www.dialog-semiconductor.com/products/audio-wireless-voice/smartbeat-wireless-audio

Video games:
Opus is included in the Playstation 4, FMOD (used in many games), and 
others.

There are probably lots more. One of the benefits of being completely 
open is that no one has to tell me when they start using Opus.