[video-codec] draft-filippov-netvc-requirements-01

"Ali C. Begen (abegen)" <abegen@cisco.com> Tue, 21 July 2015 14:22 UTC

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From: "Ali C. Begen (abegen)" <abegen@cisco.com>
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I read this draft after seeing the presentation yesterday. Overall, I dont like the fact that this draft tries to cover a lot of use cases quite narrowly. There are so many omissions here and there.

The charter for this WG is to provide a good codec for interactive video applications. So all the rest of the use cases should be dropped and not discussed at all.

This WG should spend whatever energy it has to focus on the primary use case (interactive video) like RTCweb, conferencing, etc. I dont think we have the energy to create a codec that will satisfy world’s all video demands.

So IPTV, game streaming and video sharing should be removed from the reqs document. I am not so sure about video monitoring, though, as it has quite many similarities to interactive video. 

FWIW, I argue that interlacing should not be considered in this WG (or at all for any video codec) moving forward. 

-acbegen