Re: [video-codec] draft-filippov-netvc-requirements-01

Sorry your links do not prove much. When you use a vpX or opus enabled device or browser youtube most likely sends the content with those codecs. But the world has many other devices or browsers  that are not capable of rendering them so...

I did not mean to create a codec discussion but looks like it is to late to revert back. Opus is a great codec and it is widely used but only under certain apps and conditions. But there are lots of other codecs that it will never replace.  I hope netvc will be equally or even more successful.  But again there will be other codecs that it will never replace nor it should. So my point is we should focus on where we have the highest chance to succeed in a reasonable time frame. 

-acbegen 
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> On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:34 PM, Timothy B. Terriberry <tterribe@xiph.org> wrote:
> 
> Ali C. Begen (abegen) wrote:
>>>> And please tell me where Opus is used in the entertainment world?
>>> 
>>> Youtube uses Opus in DASH. WebM defines VP9/Opus as one of its standard
>>> profiles.
>> 
>> Youtube creates a lot of traffic and I suppose a large portion of it is vp9/opus but 99.9% of the youtube video is not something I would consider “entertainment grade”. Dont get me wrong, but when you look at CE devices that consume streaming video, vp9/opus is not on the top of the list.
> 
> It's still #3 on the Alexa Top 500 global sites.
> 
> Also #7 Wikipedia: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_types#Sound
> 
> Broadcast:
> http://www.tieline.com/products/G5/Merlin
> http://www.gatesair.com/products/transport/audio-contribution-distribution/intraplex-ip-link
> http://www.comrex.com/products/briclinkII.html
> http://www.obe.tv/about-us/obe-blog/item/14-using-opus-audio-in-broadcasting
> http://ebu.io/opensource#codecs
> 
> Internet radio:
> http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/2012-July/012237.html
> 
> Wireless headphones and mics:
> http://www.dialog-semiconductor.com/products/audio-wireless-voice/smartbeat-wireless-audio
> 
> Video games:
> Opus is included in the Playstation 4, FMOD (used in many games), and others.
> 
> There are probably lots more. One of the benefits of being completely open is that no one has to tell me when they start using Opus.
> 
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