Re: [vwrap] is the group still interested in LLSD or DSD?

Meadhbh Hamrick <ohmeadhbh@gmail.com> Wed, 04 May 2011 14:33 UTC

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but the question was... yes or no... do we want LLSD or DSD (it's
successor) to be part of VWRAP moving forward?

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On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:21 AM, Dzonatas Sol <dzonatas@gmail.com> wrote:
> We already know highly abstract data types that have all kinds of
> extensibility, so there is no need to reinvent that much.
>
> We just need "best fit" for the documentation and basic usage of resources
> as capabilities with LLIDL.
>
> Any further extensibility is specific to implementation, and that specific
> implementation should be expected (as common mode with RFCs). What matters
> is, can we use these data types to convey the concept? Yes, we have
> demonstrated we can.
>
> Again, I worry less about that and more about the combine queries, which
> would let you extend in many other ways besides mere serialization,
> especially when pivotal data is known.
>
> Your argument only justifies further reason for me to move and update
> SNOW-375 ( http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/User:Dzonatas_Sol/SNOW-375 ) to
> the IETF wiki, especially if we expect STLP, which I rather forward-think
> about, instead of private unencrypted URIs.
>
>
> On 05/04/2011 07:02 AM, Morgaine wrote:
>>
>> Extensibility through XML is not extensibility of the types of the
>> underlying ADT.
>>
>> The types of the ADT are expressed through 3 canonical serializations.
>>  Those serializations merely reflect the types defined by the underlying
>> ADT, and the XML serialization alone cannot extend the underlying ADT
>> without breaking the mapping of the ADT to the other serializations.
>>
>> It's the type system itself that has to be extensible before you can
>> validly use extended types in one of its serializations.
>>
>>
>> Morgaine.
>>
>
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