Re: Support (as co-author)

Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com> Tue, 26 November 2019 07:54 UTC

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From: Jeff Tantsura <jefftant.ietf@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Support (as co-author)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 16:54:19 +0900
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Cc: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>, WG Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
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To: Job Snijders <job@ntt.net>
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Agree with Job, I find it positive when co-authors do respond (especially given that some drafts have complete front page taken by co-authors ;-))

Regards,
Jeff

> On Nov 26, 2019, at 03:14, Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 04:09:44PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote:
>> Along the years, I witnessed a trend, which intensifies with time: "I
>> support the adoption of this draft (as a co-author)."
>> Well, if someone is a co-author, implicitly this person wants the draft to
>> progress. Therefore, such as message carries no weight IMO.
>> Is it time for the WG chairs to start correcting this behaviour, or at least
>> setting the right expectations?
>> 
>> ex: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ippm/?q=Adoption%20Call%20for%20draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export
> 
> What problem is being solved by "correcting" people? Even if the
> interpretation is "well doh, you are a co-author", it still shows the
> authors are engaged and willing to push for publication.
> 
> If e-mail volume via IETF mailing lists is the issue, there may be other
> ways to cut down on noise.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Job
>