Re: Support (as co-author)
<julien.meuric@orange.com> Mon, 25 November 2019 15:52 UTC
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Subject: Re: Support (as co-author)
To: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
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Hi BenoƮt, I agree with you that, in the ideal world, being a co-author implies being a supporter and that a "support as co-author" doesn't have the exact same value as a support by someone else. However, as Andy suggests, an explicit support expressed by a co-author at adoption or WG LC time may help distinguishing: - co-authors who just approved the use of their (company) name vs. those who actually follow (at least) the key steps of the documents; - co-authors who no longer care about a given work their used to be interested in (e.g., when reaching WG LC) vs. those who still believe is needs to progress. What is more, having co-authors involved in a support thread on mailing lists is also a way to attract readers and trigger responses from other WG members. My 2 cents, Julien On 25/11/2019 16:27, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > Benoit, > > In some WGs, I have seen the chairs ask for explicit declarations of > support for adoption or last call, including from co-authors. In such > a case, it make sense for a co-author to identify themself as such. > > Cheers, > Andy > > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 10:10 AM Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com > <mailto:bclaise@cisco.com>> wrote: > > Dear all, > > Along the years, I witnessed a trend, which intensifies with time: "I > support the adoption of this draft (as a co-author)." > Well, if someone is a co-author, implicitly this person wants the > draft > to progress. Therefore, such as message carries no weight IMO. > Is it time for the WG chairs to start correcting this behaviour, > or at > least setting the right expectations? > > ex: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ippm/?q=Adoption%20Call%20for%20draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export > > Regards, Benoit > > > _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Ce message et ses pieces jointes peuvent contenir des informations confidentielles ou privilegiees et ne doivent donc pas etre diffuses, exploites ou copies sans autorisation. Si vous avez recu ce message par erreur, veuillez le signaler a l'expediteur et le detruire ainsi que les pieces jointes. Les messages electroniques etant susceptibles d'alteration, Orange decline toute responsabilite si ce message a ete altere, deforme ou falsifie. Merci. This message and its attachments may contain confidential or privileged information that may be protected by law; they should not be distributed, used or copied without authorisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender and delete this message and its attachments. As emails may be altered, Orange is not liable for messages that have been modified, changed or falsified. Thank you.
- Support (as co-author) Benoit Claise
- Re: Support (as co-author) Andrew G. Malis
- RE: Support (as co-author) STARK, BARBARA H
- Re: Support (as co-author) julien.meuric
- RE: Support (as co-author) Fatai Zhang
- Re: Support (as co-author) Carsten Bormann
- RE: Support (as co-author) Ron Bonica
- Re: Support (as co-author) Job Snijders
- Re: Support (as co-author) Mary Barnes
- Re: Support (as co-author) Joel M. Halpern
- Re: Support (as co-author) Joel M. Halpern
- Re: [irsg] Support (as co-author) Melinda Shore
- Re: [irsg] Support (as co-author) Stephen Farrell
- Re: Support (as co-author) Fred Baker
- Re: Support (as co-author) Jeff Tantsura
- Re: Support (as co-author) Tim Chown
- Re: Support (as co-author) Tommy Pauly
- Re: Support (as co-author) Mary Barnes
- Re: Support (as co-author) Bob Hinden
- Re: [irsg] Support (as co-author) Rodney Van Meter
- Re: Support (as co-author) Phillip Hallam-Baker
- Re: [irsg] Support (as co-author) Carsten Bormann
- Re: Support (as co-author) Lou Berger
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