Re: Support (as co-author)

Job Snijders <job@ntt.net> Mon, 25 November 2019 18:14 UTC

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Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 18:13:59 +0000
From: Job Snijders <job@ntt.net>
To: Benoit Claise <bclaise@cisco.com>
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Subject: Re: Support (as co-author)
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On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 04:09:44PM +0100, Benoit Claise wrote:
> Along the years, I witnessed a trend, which intensifies with time: "I
> support the adoption of this draft (as a co-author)."
> Well, if someone is a co-author, implicitly this person wants the draft to
> progress. Therefore, such as message carries no weight IMO.
> Is it time for the WG chairs to start correcting this behaviour, or at least
> setting the right expectations?
> 
> ex: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/ippm/?q=Adoption%20Call%20for%20draft-ioamteam-ippm-ioam-direct-export

What problem is being solved by "correcting" people? Even if the
interpretation is "well doh, you are a co-author", it still shows the
authors are engaged and willing to push for publication.

If e-mail volume via IETF mailing lists is the issue, there may be other
ways to cut down on noise.

Kind regards,

Job