Re: [yaco-liaison-tool] Acceptance?

[Patrik Fältström <[e-mail]>]

I think the default behaviour to start with is that all postings made DO have prior approval. I.e. this tool is not for approval, or editing of things before something is posted. One day it might be that the default is that people do NOT have approval, but that is not the case today.

So I think we are fine. People are just asked "do you have approval" as a last resort check "please think before you post".

Not as a formal approval/editing system, because that is happening out of bound.

   Patrik

On 13 okt 2010, at 18.52, Alexa Morris wrote:

> Ah, got it. Thanks, all of that seems perfect then, thanks. Though I think that a note indicating that the liaison has been sent to the appropriate person for approval would be helpful, if it's not too much to add.
> 
> Alexa
> 
> On Oct 13, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alexa,
>> 
>> On 2010-10-13 17:26 Alexa Morris said:
>>> See inline:
>>> 
>>> On Oct 13, 2010, at 12:44 AM, Emilio Sanchez wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 3.  When you enter an outgoing liaison statement it doesn't seem to
>>>> show up in the liaison list once it is submitted.  However, if you
>>>> attempt to submit the same liaison a second time it says that a
>>>> liaison of that name has already been submitted.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>    When you send an outgoing liaison you have to mark that you
>>>> have prior approval to send it. There is a checkbox to do this.
>>>> Probably you didn't check it so the liaison is not public until
>>>> someone approves it. The person who can approve the liaison depends
>>>> on who you select the liaison comes from (If the liaison comes from
>>>> a WG then the Area director can approve, if it comes from the IETF
>>>> then the IETF chair should approve it.
>>>> 
>>>>    If you check that checkbox when creating the liaison then is
>>>> supposed you have obtained prior approval so the liaison will go
>>>> public without any other user interaction.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is very helpful, thanks! What should we do if we forget to click
>>> "obtained prior approval"? Would it be possible (or desirable?) to get
>>> a "you have not indicated that you have prior approval to post this
>>> liaison. If you do not, please obtain approval before proceeding" or
>>> some such warning?
>> 
>> That may seem desirable if one is mainly posting _with_ prior approval,
>> but adds an extra unwanted 'are you sure' prompt for those who should
>> get post-approval...  It doesn't seem to be fatal to forget to click
>> this box, as it will then just go to the appropriate approval level for
>> approval -- it won't be sitting waiting forever, I think?
>> 
>>> Otherwise it seems that it: 1) people may be
>>> confused about what step to take next or 2) the liaison may not get
>>> posted, without the person quite realizing it that they failed to post
>>> it correctly.
>> 
>> 1) can be handled by a note in the page coming up after posting which
>> indicates that the post has been sent to so-and-so for approval, maybe?
>> 
>> 2) should never occur, as the post will then go for approval in a
>> normal manner, no?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 	Henrik
>> 
>>> 
>>>> Thank you.
>>>> 
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> 
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Emilio Sanchez [mailto:[e-mail]]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 1:20 PM
>>>> To: Alexa Morris
>>>> Cc: Henrik Levkowetz; Russ Housley; Stephanie McCammon
>>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: [yaco-liaison-tool] Acceptance?
>>>> 
>>>>  I've manage to fix the server so you can try whenever you want :)
>>>> 
>>>> 2010/10/12 Alexa Morris <[e-mail]>
>>>> Thanks! I'll check back tomorrow and spend some time playing in the
>>>> tool.
>>>> 
>>>> Much appreciated,
>>>> Alexa
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Emilio Sanchez wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>  Hi Alexa,
>>>>> 
>>>>>  In the beta server beta.lsmt.yaco.es you have different test
>>>>> users (username/password):
>>>>> 
>>>>> admin/admin
>>>>> This user is an IETF Liaison Manager
>>>>> external/external
>>>>> This user is an SDO Manager of 3GPP and WIPO
>>>>> This user is an SDO Authorized of IEEE 802 and Open Grid Forum
>>>>> internal/internal
>>>>> This user is the Area Director of the Application Area
>>>>> This user is a Working Group Secretary of 'Performance Metrics for
>>>>> Other Layers' group.
>>>>> internal2/internal2
>>>>> This user is the IETF/IESG Chair
>>>>> This user is the IAB Executive Chair
>>>>>   Probably you want to use admin/admin cause this user is able to
>>>>> do almost anything.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   By the way, it seems that the beta server is down right now.
>>>>> I'm opening a ticket to our systems team so it will be fixed
>>>>> tomorrow early in the morning.
>>>>> 
>>>>>   Regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2010/10/12 Alexa Morris <[e-mail]>
>>>>> Henrik, Emilio,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Looks like the Secretariat should get familiar with the new tool
>>>>> ASAP! :-)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am reviewing, along with Stephanie McCammon (who processes
>>>>> liaisons for the Secretariat) the new user manual. And I'd like us
>>>>> to be able to play with the tool a bit as well, but I'm not sure if
>>>>> we have a username / password to get into it. We may have received
>>>>> one some time ago, not sure, but if we did I cannot locate it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can someone please create an account on the tool so that we can
>>>>> familiarize ourselves with it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Many thanks,
>>>>> Alexa
>>>>> 
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Patrik Fältström <[e-mail]>
>>>>> Date: October 11, 2010 8:03:07 AM PDT
>>>>> To: Henrik Levkowetz <[e-mail]>
>>>>> Cc: [e-mail]
>>>>> Subject: Re: [yaco-liaison-tool] Acceptance?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11 okt 2010, at 16.51, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is it sorted out who is doing all the work with assigning the roles
>>>>> at time of launch?
>>>>> 
>>>>> No.  What would you suggest as the optimal approach?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Have whoever handle the [e-mail] do the following:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 1. Add the IAB and IETF chairs, wg chairs, area directors etc as
>>>>> apropriate (as described in the document).
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2. Add the liaisons in the IETF assigned and named on the IAB list
>>>>> of liaisons.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [done]
>>>>> 
>>>>> Later: Have those liaisons be able to report (or possibly add) the
>>>>> external liaisons that should be able to file incoming liaisons.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Patrik
>>>>> 
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