Re: [yam] Referencing 1652bis and update to RFC 5321/5322

Dave CROCKER <dhc@dcrocker.net> Tue, 29 June 2010 17:06 UTC

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Subject: Re: [yam] Referencing 1652bis and update to RFC 5321/5322
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On 6/29/2010 7:09 AM, Jari Arkko wrote:
> Dave,
>
>> If the proposal being promoted by Russ is chosen, then there's nothing for
>> this wg to do: everything that is a candidate for the wg should
>> automatically already be at the final level. No?
>
> I would hope that the YAM working group exists to improve the e-mail related
> RFCs.


Jari,

This might reflect continuing confusion about the purpose of the YAM working group.

In pragmatic terms, as odd as it might seem, that is almost explicitly NOT what
the working is chartered to do.

"Full" standard is really about community acceptance, rather than being about 
improving the specifications.  For YAM, the focus in writing the charter was 
specifically NOT to make any interesting changes.  Anything that seems to call 
for interesting changes is required to /disqualify/ the specification from 
further consideration...

d/
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   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
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